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Scotland going for independence again?
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:19 pm
Nicola Sturgeon has pledged to press ahead with plans for a second independence referendum after the Scottish National party won its fourth consecutive Holyrood election, triggering a constitutional battle with Boris Johnson.
After counting ended late on Saturday evening, the SNP won 64 seats, missing out on an overall majority by just one seat, after winning a record number of constituencies despite a surge in anti-independence tactical voting.
Sturgeon said Scottish voters had given Holyrood a clear mandate by electing a pro-independence majority larger than that in the last Holyrood parliament, with eight Green MSPs elected across Scotland’s regions. It was an “extraordinary” result, she said.
In a victory speech in Glasgow, the first minister said any attempt by the UK government to block that would be a democratic outrage. “It is the will of the country,” she said, buoyed up by a record 64% turnout for a Holyrood election.
“Given the outcome of this election, there is simply no democratic justification whatsoever for Boris Johnson or anyone else seeking to block the right of the people of Scotland to choose our future,” Sturgeon said.
“If the Tories make such as an attempt it will demonstrate conclusively that the UK is not a partnership of equals and that – astonishingly – Westminster no longer sees the UK as a voluntary union of nations. That in itself would be a most powerful argument for Scotland becoming an independent country.”
The final tally left the parties close to their standing after the 2016 election, with the SNP on 64, the Tories in second on 31, Labour on 22, the Greens on eight and the Liberal Democrats on four.
After counting ended late on Saturday evening, the SNP won 64 seats, missing out on an overall majority by just one seat, after winning a record number of constituencies despite a surge in anti-independence tactical voting.
Sturgeon said Scottish voters had given Holyrood a clear mandate by electing a pro-independence majority larger than that in the last Holyrood parliament, with eight Green MSPs elected across Scotland’s regions. It was an “extraordinary” result, she said.
In a victory speech in Glasgow, the first minister said any attempt by the UK government to block that would be a democratic outrage. “It is the will of the country,” she said, buoyed up by a record 64% turnout for a Holyrood election.
“Given the outcome of this election, there is simply no democratic justification whatsoever for Boris Johnson or anyone else seeking to block the right of the people of Scotland to choose our future,” Sturgeon said.
“If the Tories make such as an attempt it will demonstrate conclusively that the UK is not a partnership of equals and that – astonishingly – Westminster no longer sees the UK as a voluntary union of nations. That in itself would be a most powerful argument for Scotland becoming an independent country.”
The final tally left the parties close to their standing after the 2016 election, with the SNP on 64, the Tories in second on 31, Labour on 22, the Greens on eight and the Liberal Democrats on four.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:32 pm to Mike Joyce
Yeah not sure you can square Brexit and not be for an independent Scotland.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:37 pm to Mike Joyce
They want independence to rejoin the EU
Scotland loves them some Progressive globalism
Scotland loves them some Progressive globalism
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:40 pm to Mike Joyce
Lol let them. Scotland is an economic black hole for the UK.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:17 pm to Mike Joyce
All of the good Scots left Scotland years ago. Me people who are still there are a bunch of nutless socialist pussies
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:20 pm to red sox fan 13
Good. England and Wales will be better off without those Irn-Bru drinking socialists. Scottish independence would only help the Tories in Westminster.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:42 pm to Mike Joyce
The problem with Scotland, is it’s full of Scots.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:49 pm to Mike Joyce
I'm all for Scotland's independence if it means the price of Scotch goes down.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:53 pm to Mike Joyce
The American romance for Scotland is so ridiculous. Scotland is a welfare-addicted, third-world dump that happens to be one of the most beautiful places in Europe. The Scots hate the English and want to leave the UK over wars that happened hundreds of years ago, only to rejoin a political and economic union dominated by a country they were at war with only 80 years ago. If I were English, Welsh or Northern Irish, I'd be glad to get rid of the Jocks.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:57 pm to Mike Joyce
I guess the price of tape will be going up, and vehicles will be rolling out of control all over the world if you can't get wheel scotches anymore.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:58 pm to red sox fan 13
quote:Yep, it's basically a welfare state.
Lol let them. Scotland is an economic black hole for the UK.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 5:30 pm to Mike Joyce
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The final tally left the parties close to their standing after the 2016 election, with the SNP on 64, the Tories in second on 31, Labour on 22, the Greens on eight and the Liberal Democrats on four.
i read up on this... the system they use is stupid.
imagine if the Libertarian Party got 5% in every House and Senate election but we gave them 20 seats (just because) even though they didn't win a single one
Posted on 5/8/21 at 5:35 pm to coolpapaboze
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Lol let them. Scotland is an economic black hole for the UK.
Yep, it's basically a welfare state.
There's nothing there. Can't farm anything it appears. Just cold foggy bogs, marsh's and rocky hills.
*I'm basing this off Skyfall and Braveheart.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 5:36 pm to Mike Joyce
Do they want independence or to join the EU?
Posted on 5/8/21 at 5:48 pm to NPComb
Sturgeon and the SNP want to rejoin the EU.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 6:36 pm to Mike Joyce
Scotland had better think long and hard about this. London provides a lot of goodies to Glasgow and Edinburgh. The place while cool to visit is kind of in a perpetual semi depression/ recession. Being part of the UK ( Britain) is the best thing that ever happened to it.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 6:40 pm to red sox fan 13
Not much comes out of the Scotties except good whiskey and old golf....
Posted on 5/8/21 at 6:46 pm to td01241
They haven’t got the majority.
It’s a statistical fact that the desire for independence drops when it is a coalition pro independence government as opposed to a SNP majority.
It won’t happen.
While I agree, it’s understandable logic. Why should a party that could get some 40% of the vote potentially get full control where as a party getting 10% could have no say at all.
Theoretically it should help people feel like their vote actually matters if you don’t vote for one of the big 3
It’s a statistical fact that the desire for independence drops when it is a coalition pro independence government as opposed to a SNP majority.
It won’t happen.
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. the system they use is stupid.
While I agree, it’s understandable logic. Why should a party that could get some 40% of the vote potentially get full control where as a party getting 10% could have no say at all.
Theoretically it should help people feel like their vote actually matters if you don’t vote for one of the big 3
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 6:48 pm to Mike Joyce
The whole globalism seems like it will never work. People just suffer when they try for it
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