re: Satanic Temple puts up display at Michigan Capital

Posted by Vegas Bengal

Member since Feb 2008

26344 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:32 pm to TbirdSpur2010

I don't think you know what that word means. Probably explains your behavior.

Posted by TbirdSpur2010

ALAMO CITY

Member since Dec 2010

134141 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:33 pm to Vegas Bengal

It was a damn joke

Lighten up, Grinchy

Posted by ctiger69

Member since May 2005

31030 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:33 pm to BayouBlitz

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How does the popularity of a religion, in any way, prove the existence of a single creator? What does it tell us, then, that the number of non-believers is outgrowing the believers in this country? You know what is just as possible, and far more scientifically likely, is that an alien ship dropped a load of feces from their UFO on the Earth, containing microscopic organisms, which then evolved and eventually became us. Prove that didn't happen.

All you can do is attack other people's faith? Can you defend your own?

What evidence do you have that there is no God? Surely you have something? After all, believing in something that you have zero evidence to support requires a ton of faith. What evidence do you have?

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Posted by Lg

Hayden, Alabama

Member since Jul 2011

8608 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:40 pm to Vegas Bengal

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I have a problem with a religion whose founders were all Jews and never strayed from their belief system or practices,

How can you make this statement, when in fact that's exactly what they did by following Jesus? They broke away from Jewish tradition at the expense of losing their lives in the process. Just a question. Except military personnel, because that is what they do for the freedom of our country, would you sacrifice your life at the expense of what a man told you, if you didn't think it was true?

Posted by Sentrius

Fort Rozz

Member since Jun 2011

64757 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:41 pm to Vegas Bengal

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I don't think you know what that word means. Probably explains your behavior.

You have your head so far up your arse you can't tell what's a joke anymore.

Posted by FooManChoo

Member since Dec 2012

46851 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:45 pm to Vegas Bengal

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I have a problem with a religion whose founders were all Jews and never strayed from their belief system or practices, including Jesus. And one guy shows up and says Jesus spoke to him from Heaven and voila, Christianity is formed.

While Paul's epistles make up a huge portion of the Christian New Testament, Paul didn't form or invent Christianity. If you don't think Christianity started with Jesus' ministry (which was prepared by John the Baptist's evangelism), then perhaps it was started with the great commission, prior to Jesus' ascension to Heaven where He told His apostles to go throughout the earth, teaching the people in His name.

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I find it hard to understand if what Paul teaches was supposed to be "gospel" was so important, why didn't Jesus teach this? Did he forget? And when he returned, why not teach this to his actual followers?

Paul expands on Jesus' teachings. Jesus' primary message was that He was the Son of God, sent to take away the sin of the world. His role was to obey the law of God perfectly so He would be an acceptable sacrifice on our behalf.

But who says that Jesus didn't teach those things that Paul wrote? What was recorded in the Gospels about what Jesus said was written purposefully to share what was necessary for salvation. Jesus said a lot more words than what was recorded, and Paul wasn't the only one who contributed to the New Testament.

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The problem with Christianity is, if you take Paul out of the equation, you're left with a liberal Jewish sect. And had Rome not annihilated Jerusalem, and then the second destruction of Jerusalem not occurred, James and his church would have had a far greater impact on what we view as Christianity today.

While Paul's letters make up a good portion of the New Testament, you forget that Christians believe that all of the writings of scripture (including Paul's contributions) were inspired by the Holy Spirit and are viewed as the words of God, not of man. So, whether the epistles were written by Paul or Peter or Jude or John or Lazarus, they would all be the word of God.

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Instead, James (who many argue was Jesus' brother) is given one little epistle and is basically ignored, Peter not much more and Paul's writings become the standard... a man who never met Jesus.

Technically, Paul "met" Jesus on the way to Damascus. He wasn't a disciple of Jesus prior to His ascension, but Paul's interaction wasn't much different than the interactions that the Old Testament prophets had with God. That should not discredit his writings at all, especially since God doesn't need a face-to-face meeting with someone in order to have them relay His truths in writing.

Posted by BayouBlitz

Member since Aug 2007

18126 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:46 pm to ctiger69

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What evidence do you have that there is no God? Surely you have something? After all, believing in something that you have zero evidence to support requires a ton of faith. What evidence do you have?

shite, it's like teaching calculus to a frog.

If your argument is that God exists because it can't be proven that he doesn't, than anything anybody can dream up can exist as well.

There is a million legged, thousand eyed monster under your bed at night. But it has the power to morph in and out of our dimension into a fifth dimension whenever you try to test for it's existence.

Prove that he doesn't exist. See how fricking stupid your argument is?

I'm perfectly fine with people who have faith in their religion. Hell, I'm all for it. Just don't feed me a line of bullshite about something existing because it can't be proven to not exist.

Prove Buddha doesn't exist, or that he is not the real God.

Posted by TbirdSpur2010

ALAMO CITY

Member since Dec 2010

134141 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 12:58 pm to Sentrius

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You have your head so far up your arse you can't tell what's a joke anymore.

I mean, honestly

Posted by ctiger69

Member since May 2005

31030 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:02 pm to BayouBlitz

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shite, it's like teaching calculus to a frog.

If your argument is that God exists because it can't be proven that he doesn't, than anything anybody can dream up can exist as well.

There is a million legged, thousand eyed monster under your bed at night. But it has the power to morph in and out of our dimension into a fifth dimension whenever you try to test for it's existence.

Prove that he doesn't exist. See how fricking stupid your argument is?

I'm perfectly fine with people who have faith in their religion. Hell, I'm all for it. Just don't feed me a line of bullshite about something existing because it can't be proven to not exist.

Prove Buddha doesn't exist, or that he is not the real God.

So what I got out of this is that: you have zero evidence that there is no God. It is a blind faith. You can not support your own belief and therefore you must attack other people's beliefs. Just admit it.

I lack the belief of there is evidence that there is no God.

Cue the name calling......because you have zero evidence and that is all you can do to defend your belief.

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Posted by Revelator

Member since Nov 2008

62079 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:09 pm to Wolfhound45

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Sorry you cannot see something as simple as Creation. You will find what you are looking for. Each and every time.

The sad part is that right in Romans, God says that they will be without excuse because they failed to see him in the creation.

Posted by Wolfhound45

Member since Nov 2009

127383 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:12 pm to BayouBlitz

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Please establish this correlation.

You really are missing it? Wow.

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Prove that it didn't happen.

My intent is not to prove what did or did not happen. I am expressing my faith in Jesus Christ. Plain and simple. On the other hand, it has been put forth multiple times in this thread that God does not exist.

Fine.

Prove it.

Posted by FooManChoo

Member since Dec 2012

46851 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:14 pm to BayouBlitz

Those who believe in God do so for various reasons. On top of what they see and experience in their daily lives, Christians believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, which is essentially a first-hand account (from God, written down by human authors) that relays information about God and what He has done in history.

So, to someone who believes in God, it isn't some random thought that came into their heads one day that they have absolutely no basis for believing. You can't just come up with any sort of fictitious example and call it equal to the belief in God, because those who believe in God don't believe in Him for no reason, which is essentially what you're trying to say.

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Posted by Revelator

Member since Nov 2008

62079 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:14 pm to Vegas Bengal

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I have a problem with a religion whose founders were all Jews and never strayed from their belief system or practices, including Jesus. And one guy shows up and says Jesus spoke to him from Heaven and voila, Christianity is formed. I find it hard to understand if what Paul teaches was supposed to be "gospel" was so important, why didn't Jesus teach this? Did he forget? And when he returned, why not teach this to his actual followers? The problem with Christianity is, if you take Paul out of the equation, you're left with a liberal Jewish sect. And had Rome not annihilated Jerusalem, and then the second destruction of Jerusalem not occurred, James and his church would have had a far greater impact on what we view as Christianity today. Instead, James (who many argue was Jesus' brother) is given one little epistle and is basically ignored, Peter not much more and Paul's writings become the standard... a man who never met Jesus.

It's interesting that you've written in the past that you follow only Jesus and disregard the rest of scripture. Then you write something like this that pretty much casts dispersions on Jesus as well (Jew). Why not simply say you are an unbeliever instead?

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Posted by TheIndulger

Member since Sep 2011

19410 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:20 pm to ctiger69

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Classic atheist response. Will attack Christian's evidence but is unwilling to show any evidence to support their own believe. Classic.

If you recall, I said arguing over having evidence is pointless, since no side has it. Wolfhound claimed to have evidence, not me, so I asked him for it.

I could say exactly what you said, but switch Christian and atheist. It's the silliest, most recurring argument every time this topic is brought up.

Posted by BayouBlitz

Member since Aug 2007

18126 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:22 pm to FooManChoo

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Those who believe in God do so for various reasons. On top of what they see and experience in their daily lives, Christians believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, which is essentially a first-hand account (from God, written down by human authors) that relays information about God and what He has done in history. So, to someone who believes in God, it isn't some random thought that came into their heads one day that they have absolutely no basis for believing. You can't just come up with any sort of fictitious example and call it equal to the belief in God, because those who believe in God don't believe in Him for reason, which is essentially what you're trying to say.

I get all of that. And again, I have no problem with people of faith.

He's making the argument that by not having proof that God doesn't exist, means I'm taking it on faith that there is no God.

In the world I live in, driven primarily by proven science, the burden lies in proving that something is there, not that something is not there.

Posted by TheIndulger

Member since Sep 2011

19410 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:30 pm to Wolfhound45

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Walk right out your front door. Pull up a chair. Look around. The most common means God has used to show you He exists. Creation itself

Thank you for the response, but I personally don't consider the world to be evidence God exists. I tend to be more on the skeptical end of the spectrum, though.

I would be more likely to believe the world was created by some god than to believe in Christianity, though.

Posted by TbirdSpur2010

ALAMO CITY

Member since Dec 2010

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Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:30 pm to BayouBlitz

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by not having proof that God doesn't exist, means I'm taking it on faith that there is no God

This is correct.

Posted by Fun Bunch

New Orleans

Member since May 2008

130247 posts

Posted on 12/23/14 at 1:57 pm to Wolfhound45

Your argument that others have to prove your assertion that what you are saying exists doesn't exist is stupid beyond words. It is a logical fallacy. The burden is on you and you alone. Anyone can make up anything no matter how ridiculous and assert its real, with no evidence whatsoever.

Please provide evidence that the following deities do not exist:

Agdistis or Angdistis
Ah Puch
Ahura Mazda
Alberich
Allah
Amaterasu
An
Anahita
Anansi
Anat
Andvari
Anshar
Anu
Ads
Aphrodite
Apollo
Apsu
Ares
Artemis
Asclepius
Athena
Athirat
Athtart
Atlas
Baal
Ba Xian
Bacchus
Balder
Bast
Bellona
Bergelmir
Bes
Bixia Yuanjin
Bragi
Brahma
Brigit
Camaxtli
Ceres
Ceridwen
Cernunnos
Chac
Chalchiuhtlicue
Chang Hsi See Heng-O.
Charun
Chemosh
Cheng-huang
Cybele
Dagon
Damkina (Dumkina)
Davlin
Dawn
Demeter
Diana
Di Cang
Dionysus
Ea
El
Enki
Enlil
Eos
Epona
Ereskigal
Farbauti
Fenrir
Forseti
Fortuna
Freya
Freyr
Frigg
Gaia
Ganesha
Ganga
Garuda
Gauri
Geb
Geong Si
Guanyin
Hades
Hanuman
Hathor
Hecate (Hekate)
Helios
Heng-o
Hephaestus
Hera
Hermes
Hestia
Hod
Hoderi
Hoori
Horus
Hotei
Huitzilopochtli
Hsi-Wang-Mu
Hygeia
Inanna
Inti
Iris
Ishtar
Isis
Ixtab
Izanaki
Izanami
Janus
Juno
Jupiter
Juturna
Kagutsuchi
Kartikeya
Khepri
Ki
Kingu
Kinich Ahau
Kishar
Krishna
Kuan-yin
Kukulcan
Kvasir
Lakshmi
Leto
Liza
Loki
Lugh
Luna
Magna Mater
Maia
Marduk
Mars
Mazu
Medb
Mercury
Mimir
Min
Minerva
Mithras
Morrigan
Mot
Mummu
Muses
Nammu
Nanna
Nanna
Nanse
Neith
Nemesis
Nephthys
Neptune
Nergal
Ninazu
Ninhurzag
Nintu
Ninurta
Njord
Nugua
Odin
Ohkuninushi
Ohyamatsumi
Orgelmir
Osiris
Ostara
Pan
Parvati
Phaethon
Phoebe
Phoebus Apollo
Pilumnus
Poseidon
Quetzalcoatl
Rama
Re
Rhea
Sabazius
Sarapis
Sarasvati
Selene
Shiva
Seshat
Seti
Shamash
Shapsu
Shen Yi
Shiva
Shu
Si-Wang-Mu
Sin
Sirona
Sol
Surya
Susanoh
Tawaret
Tefnut
Tezcatlipoca
Thanatos
Thor
Thoth
Tiamat
Tianhou
Tlaloc
Tonatiuh
Toyo-Uke-Bime
Tyche
Tyr
Utu
Ullr
Uzume
Vediovis
Venus
Vesta
Vishnu
Volturnus
Vulcan
Xipe
Xi Wang-mu
Xochipilli
Xochiquetzal
Yam
Yarikh
Yhwh
Ymir
Yu-huang
Yum Kimil
Zeus

I'll wait. Forever.

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