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Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:33 pm to
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To say "I don't believe God exists" or even "God doesn't exist" is a statement of faith, since you cannot know it for certain.


That is disingenuous. There is no evidence for a god of any kind whatsoever, so it is perfectly reasonable to believe that god does not exist. There is no faith involved because there is no evidence to the contrary.

on the flipside, you believe in a deity with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. That does require faith.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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130247 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:34 pm to
I'm not sure what you're laughing about. That is a fact.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:35 pm to
Incorrect.

But my, you have your panties in a twist in this thread

IDGAF what you believe one way or another.

Or, I'm sorry, what you don't believe.

Excuse me, what is fact to you or not.

Jeez...
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8608 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:37 pm to
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All I can say is that all of the "proof" that could be available to show that God does exist seems incredibly weak to me at best, and fully absent at worst.


And that is when we Christians say, you are looking straight past the evidence. You see it everyday. You attribute it to your worldview, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And to me it is overwhelming not absent.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:37 pm to
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The sad part is that right in Romans, God says that they will be without excuse because they failed to see him in the creation.



Yeah, I'm sure that made a lot of sense before astrophysics.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127381 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:37 pm to
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There is no evidence for a god of any kind whatsoever, so it is perfectly reasonable to believe that god does not exist. There is no faith involved because there is no evidence to the contrary.
None? Absolutely none?

Wow.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:39 pm to
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None? Absolutely none?
You got some? Post some links.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8608 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:39 pm to
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I experienced the Flying Spaghetti Monster.


So what did this monster do that you experienced him?
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8608 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:42 pm to
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There is no faith involved


Everybody lives by faith. Whether you recognize it or not.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8608 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:43 pm to
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You got some? Post some links.


You been outside today?
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:44 pm to
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So what did this monster do that you experienced him?



I saw his GLORY. I know the Flying Spaghetti Monster because I KNOW the LASAGNA GOBLIN. The LASAGNA GOBLIN and the Flying Spaghetti Monster are the same being in different forms. Liberal pinhead.
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:46 pm to
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You been outside today?
I'll take that as a "no". You cannot support your claim. Move on. Who's next?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85651 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:46 pm to
holy frick what an abortion of a thread this turned in to
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8608 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:46 pm to
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I saw his GLORY. I know the Flying Spaghetti Monster because I KNOW the LASAGNA GOBLIN. The LASAGNA GOBLIN and the Flying Spaghetti Monster are the same being in different forms. Liberal pinhead.



Awesome!!
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:47 pm to
It's beautiful.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:48 pm to
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holy frick what an abortion of a thread this turned in to


Who could have predicted this?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85651 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:50 pm to
buncha theoretical philosophizers all standing in a circle looking each other in the eye and stroking their cocks

it's so dumb but so funny at the same time
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
26925 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:54 pm to
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buncha theoretical philosophizers all standing in a circle looking each other in the eye and stroking their cocks

it's so dumb but so funny at the same time
I have the weirdest boner right now.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 2:55 pm to
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Jex Blackmore
Is it wrong that I think she is sort of hot?
Posted by Strophie
Member since Apr 2014
438 posts
Posted on 12/23/14 at 3:04 pm to
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And that is when we Christians say, you are looking straight past the evidence. You see it everyday. You attribute it to your worldview, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And to me it is overwhelming not absent


Firstly, I was raised in a Christian household and was a practicing Christian until my early twenties. So I am familiar with the worldview and the ideology and the mindset, because I've earnestly lived it.

But for me, personally, the more educated I became, and the more critically and rationally I thought about the world, the less and less I saw God "working" or existing in places I was sure he had. You say correctly that my worldview "doesn't mean that [God] doesn't exist," because I'll once more state that I (and most nonbelievers) are not definitely saying that he doesn't. I'm saying that there is no evidence, physical, philosophical or otherwise, which has had enough weight to convince me that God does exist. And there is other evidence, physical and philosophical, which seems to be much more compelling in supporting the idea that there is not a God (in the traditional Abrahamic sense).

I can't comment on your personal feelings, or what has convinced you of God's existence. You could have had a literal revelation; you could literally hear the voice of God; you could have literal answers to prayer. The problem is that I personally have experienced none of these things. I have not seen anybody in my personal life experience these things. And beyond the intangible, beyond the anecdotal "I feel God's presence" type arguments, there isn't, to my knowledge, anything else that I can point to as evidence.

And please realize that my personal mindset is not for lack of wanting to believe. When I felt my faith wavering, I read every ounce of Christian apologetics I could find. But my research required me to view the other side, too, and the evidence therein was much more pervasive to me, and made the arguments in defense of the truth of Christianity seem simple minded by comparison.

Just my two cents.
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