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re: Sandy Hook families offer to settle with Alex Jones for millions, not billions
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:31 am to Drizzt
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:31 am to Drizzt
quote:So just to be 100% clear, you believe the parents of children killed in an elementary school shooting are pussies because they felt immense pain after the graves of their murdered children were desecrated?
If Alex Jones causes you “immense pain and suffering” don’t listen to his show. Also you are a pussy if an entertainment show causes you pain and suffering.
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:37 am to TigerIn2023
quote:You seem emotionally invested in this as if you are one of the parents. Just for the sake of argument, and assuming Jones did what you say (I have no idea because I don't listen to the nut job), is $1.5B a fair result for all of the pain and suffering. If not (and you have to know that's way over the top), what's a fair damage that Jones should be saddled with?
So just to be 100% clear, you believe the parents of children killed in an elementary school shooting are pussies because they felt immense pain after the graves of their murdered children were desecrated?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:43 am to Diamondawg
quote:
is $1.5B a fair result for all of the pain and suffering
That’s a cumulative amount from several suits against both Jones and his company. The inflated numbers are common and meant to incur bankruptcy.
Civil awards are always inflated. No one awarded $1.5 billion in damages in any single matter, and no one ever contemplated him actually paying anywhere near that amount.
If you have no idea what he said or even watch the show, why are you on here defending him by stating that the judgement was over the top? Or do you simply have a vendetta against the defamed parents of murdered children?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:05 am to ChexMix
quote:
No it is not.
You can deny it all you want, but it is true. That is clearly defamation.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:06 am to Pandy Fackler
He gave one, for what good it did.
Never apologize.
Never apologize.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:09 am to ChexMix
quote:
Thats interesting. Who decides what the truth is?
Courts. Is it true? Charles Manson lead the murder of those people in Los Angeles? A court decided it was.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:13 am to TigerIn2023
quote:Damn - you need to step away for a bit.
Or do you simply have a vendetta against the defamed parents of murdered children?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:15 am to Esquire
quote:
Calling someone a crisis actor that never had a kid is defamation though.
So if I type on this board that you are a hysterical ninny and a useful idiot of the left, I've defamed you? (Suppose I do it on Facebook where we're both using our real names).
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:24 am to wackatimesthree
quote:Not really, because that would probably be considered more of an opinion and not something you could demonstrate in court as a verifiably false statement. Unlike what Alex did.
So if I type on this board that you are a hysterical ninny and a useful idiot of the left, I've defamed you? (Suppose I do it on Facebook where we're both using our real names).
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:29 am to Esquire
quote:
Defamation is in fact illegal.
Actually defamation and libel laws have been deemed unconstitutional and have been struck down in most states.
So it’s no longer a crime really. You used to be able to be jailed speaking badly of government officials, even if it were true.
You’d have to go look up the laws in all the states. One state the only criminal libel law they have is questioning a woman’s chastity.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:36 am to TigerIn2023
quote:
Not really, because that would probably be considered more of an opinion and not something you could demonstrate in court as a verifiably false statement. Unlike what Alex did.
So he owes $1.5 billion dollars because he claimed that someone didn't have kids but they really did?
So let's say I call you a nutless coward and you come to court and drop trou and prove me wrong, I owe you billions?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:40 am to dgnx6
quote:This was in civil court. Not a criminal case.
So it’s no longer a crime really.
quote:The parents of children who were murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary are not government officials.
You used to be able to be jailed speaking badly of government officials, even if it were true.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:52 am to wackatimesthree
quote:No. I would then need to provide evidence that my reputation was harmed and show damages. For instance, Sandy Hook parents were able to provide testimony such as
So let's say I call you a nutless coward and you come to court and drop trou and prove me wrong, I owe you billions?
quote:
Jillian Soto-Marino, the last witness of the day, testified she was accosted at charity 5K race for her sister, by Matthew Mills, a conspiracy theorist who had been a guest on Jones’ Infowars show. Mills was arrested at the event for harassing Soto-Marino with allegations that her sister, first-grade teacher Vicki Soto, never existed. He was sentenced to two years probation.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:53 am to TigerIn2023
quote:
This is not taxes. It’s a wage garnishment.
The only difference is the recipient. This settlement is progressive with increased earnings.
quote:
they can be seen as a necessary tool for collecting debts and ensuring that debtors meet their legal obligations.
Not without earnings.
I can’t make this any more clear. If these people want Jones to pay, then they want him to not only continue working, but to be successful, likely continuing to say the type of things that hurt them in the first place.
It’s an implicit fact based on their own proposed settlement. Your feelings on the matter can’t change that.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 6:55 am to GumboPot
It's all about the money for these vultures...don't be fooled by their false motives.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:00 am to OceanMan
quote:You could also look at it as if Jones is going to continue to do his show, he will need to pay damages to the families he has hurt as well. And if he does continue to hurt others along the way, he will just open himself up to further litigation and settlements.
If these people want Jones to pay, then they want him to not only continue working, but to be successful, likely continuing to say the type of things that hurt them in the first place.
Are you saying that the families should drop the case and not ask Alex for any type of punitive damages? What are you suggesting exactly?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:18 am to Indefatigable
quote:
Facilitating and encouraging the harassment of the families by calling them liars and actors while knowingly pedaling false information is though
Except he didn't encourage anyone to harass anyone. He's crazy but none of the words he used was any direct call to defame or harass anyone.
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:19 am to TigerIn2023
quote:
No. I would then need to provide evidence that my reputation was harmed and show damages.
O.k.,
So I am an official in the Trump administration (or if you like, I'm Trump himself) involved with enforcing the immigration policy that has been on the books since the Clinton administration that prohibits children from being detained by law enforcement along with their parents.
A Democratic member of Congress claims that my administration passed a law "separating immigrant children from their parents," which is untrue on two counts, and then says this: “Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere. We’ve got to get the children connected to their parents!"
And I get thrown out of a restaurant because of what she said or people show up to my house and protest outside.
THEN I get billions?
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:22 am to TigerIn2023
quote:
Are you saying that the families should drop the case and not ask Alex for any type of punitive damages? What are you suggesting exactly?
I'll tell you what I am saying.
I'm saying that having your feelings hurt is not the same as "suffering damages," and definitely not to the tune of $1.5 billion.
If all they had was one plaintiff who was approached by one nutter at a 5k shouting something at the plaintiff, the Democrats and their enforcement arm (the media) facilitate more actioned hate than that against Republican officials every month, and they do so by saying stuff that is just as untrue.
But what do you bet if the Republicans tried to take that to court it would be thrown out?
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 7:25 am
Posted on 11/29/23 at 7:26 am to wackatimesthree
quote:So just to be 100% clear, you believe the parents of children killed in an elementary school shooting simply had their feelings hurt and didn’t suffer any real damages after the graves of their murdered children were desecrated?
I'm saying that having your feelings hurt is not the same as "suffering damages,"
YIKES…
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