re: Russian Interference in the election?

If this was all the non-collusion stuff, I can't wait to see the shite they came up with they found some WILLING dupes in the campaign to actually go in with them. I'm on the edge of my seat now.

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Not to mention that this same group held anti-Trump rallies

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Whose activities date back to 2014, before Trump was a candidate.

i think the "collusion" is, at best, Trump/campaign member being told about the hacking...and then...profit?

but this stuff today kind of hurts that narrative, b/c it's clear that Russia was going 100mph with this stuff regardless of whether Trump participated. whether or not Trump knew about the hacked documents, Russia was clearly going to release them to hurt Hillary

i truly don't get how there is a real nexus of any magnitude anymore

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The investigation is not over but the "collusion" argument as it pertains to hacking the election is toast.

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No. But I'd be interested in seeing you string together a cogent argument and make that case. Since you're so sure it should be a pretty simple exercise. I would caution that assuming that the collusion case is closed based upon paragraph 6 of this indictment requires you to make a number of assumptions you aren't in a position to make incl: 1. These 16 individuals/entities are the final indictments in the information ops line of inquiry and 2. There are no other suspected instances of Trump team-Russia coordination in the other lines of inquiry. So we're throwing out Flynn, Papadopoulous, the Trump tower meeting, the sharing of actual "hacked" information from the DNC and other intrusions, and whatever else might be revealed by the financial crimes line of the investigation (including Gates, Manafort, and other Trump-linked persons and entities).

And no one is saying the collusion piece is there. But saying it's been ruled out by today's indictments seems a bit silly, no?

Calm down

The language is there for you to read. Honest Bob and his team wrote it. A.) Russian hackers never revealed their identities
B.) "associated with the campaign" = "unwitting".

If you want to imagine more Russian boogeymen and talk about people who have already been indicted, feel free. If you have a problem with the special counsel, email Honest Bob.

So, basically the theory is, there's something else out there, but we needed to get this out and moving now? Why? Is the bad shite you're suspecting completely different than with these folks? Was this just the Russian JV team?

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Oh yeah, an incredible skill for a guy who’s literally living by the motto “ the internets is serious bidness”

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I guess you missed the whole stolen identities and bank and wire fraud piece of the indictment. It's really an interesting read. I recommend it to you.

There could be more teams out there!

Navy is emotional right now. Asking me to make the argument when the language is Honest Bob's

The social media / hacking / dividing the country angle has been the narrative the whole time. Now that's gone and we're the ridiculous ones for not imagining more Russians?