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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
Didn't Kevin Spacey just confirm this?


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GumboPot
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Saying it is a choice implies that I can choose to be attracted to men at anytime


However choices are predetermined though some mechanism, whether philological, genetic, epigenetic, etc., etc or combination of. You were born with the propensity to choose women and not choose men.


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an inclination does not deny a choice


so you are only gay if you act upon it?

that is the choice you are talking about?



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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
If a man can self identify as a woman, can't he self identify as a gay?

Or a lesbian in man's body?

Or another race?

Or a dog or cat?

There seems to be limitless choices.

What a time to be alive!


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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
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However choices are predetermined though some mechanism, whether philological, genetic, epigenetic, etc., etc or combination of. You were born with the propensity to choose women and not choose men.


then it isn't really a choice, is it?


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then it isn't really a choice, is it?


so then we are all just robots? we were born a certain way that will lead us down a predetermined path? people on death row really had no choice, it was just who they are?


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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
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If you think about robbing a bank, have an urge to rob a bank, but you don't. Are you still a bank robber?


In case you missed my question


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Salmon
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Human sexuality is not as iron clad from an early age into adulthood as we may think. It becomes far more rigid as we turn older, but earlier on, it's more pliant and impressionable.


of course

but choice implies we can control it

if we can't control the factors in regards to our sexuality, is it a choice?


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GumboPot
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then it isn't really a choice, is it?


Yeah, I don't choose to not like french fries. I just like them. But I can choose not to eat them.


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'being gay' is a course of action choice



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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
I recall those old debates here about the existence of free will.

Good times.


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Zach
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as in you are only gay if you act upon it? please clarify


Well, Catholic Church doctrine is that being gay is not a sin. But if you commit the sex act with a man then it is. But that was back in the 50s. It's probably OK now.


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Salmon
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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
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Yeah, I don't choose to not like french fries. I just like them. But I can choose not to eat them.


Why do you choose not to eat them?


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so then we are all just robots? we were born a certain way that will lead us down a predetermined path? people on death row really had no choice, it was just who they are?


Ugh....reduction ad absurdum


Equating sexuality and behavioral choices that are injurious and not consensual is silliness.


To be honest, I don't even CARE if homosexuality is a "choice". If it is between two CONSENTING adults (or, close in age young people - think HS sweethearts)...I have ZERO issue with where people get their orgasms.

If happiness is mushing like genitalia into one another... MUSH AWAY!
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Why do you choose not to eat them?


When I choose not to eat them it's usually because I'm on a healthy eating kick.


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Jjdoc
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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
Are we at the round table smoking a fattie?? Deep thoughts happening


Salmon
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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
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we were born a certain way that will lead us down a predetermined path?


for the vast majority of people, this is correct

we have very little control about how our lives will turn out, most of us will live within the same class that we were born into, live in the same area, have the same beliefs as our parents, etc



KeyserSoze999
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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
the point is that if its an identity then it is discrimination, if its a choice then it is not discrimination

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If it is between two CONSENTING adults (or, close in age young people - think HS sweethearts)...I have ZERO issue with where people get their orgasms.



yeah no one is disputing that


KeyserSoze999
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we have very little control about how our lives will turn out,



this is bullshite


GumboPot
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re: Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
Justice Kennedy is saying that you are not gay until, "being gay' is a course of action choice".

So you can think of gay sex but until you make the choice to participate in gay sex you are not gay.

I think...
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