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Rush just mentioned Justice Kennedy's take on Gay Wedding cake case
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:51 pm
he said that kennedy drilled down and implied that
'being gay' is not an identity, but rather 'being gay' is a course of action choice
agree or disagree?
'being gay' is not an identity, but rather 'being gay' is a course of action choice
agree or disagree?
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 1:53 pm
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:52 pm to KeyserSoze999
What was his take?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:53 pm to GumboPot
sorry, hit submit too early
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:53 pm to KeyserSoze999
quote:
being gay' is a course of action choice
exactly.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:55 pm to KeyserSoze999
quote:
'being gay' is not an identity, but rather 'being gay' is a course of action choice
as in you are only gay if you act upon it?
please clarify
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:56 pm to Salmon
being gay itself is a choice, whether you act on it or not, but it is not an identity
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:57 pm to KeyserSoze999
Why can we have both?
Those who choose gay, and those born with a defective sexual compass.
Those who choose gay, and those born with a defective sexual compass.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:58 pm to KeyserSoze999
quote:
being gay itself is a choice, whether you act on it or not
I don't know about you, but I don't remember this choice in my life
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:59 pm to Salmon
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I don't know about you, but I don't remember this choice in my life
Really?
I remember we had a Paper-Rock-Scissors contest and the winner was hetero and the loser was gay?
That's not how you did it?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:00 pm to Salmon
you don't remember if you chose to have sex with a man or not?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:00 pm to KeyserSoze999
quote:
being gay itself is a choice, whether you act on it or not, but it is not an identity
Then the opposite is true. Being hetero itself is a choice, whether you act on it or not, but it is not an identity.
And I'm fine with that.
However I just have a propensity to choose hetero. Kind of like I choose to eat french fries and choose not to eat steamed spinach, because I was born to like french fries and hate steamed spinach.
Is that right?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:01 pm to GumboPot
quote:
Then the opposite is true. Being hetero itself is a choice, whether you act on it or not, but it is not an identity.
And I'm fine with that.
However I just have a propensity to choose hetero. Kind of like I choose to eat french fries and choose not to eat steamed spinach, because I was born to like french fries and hate steamed spinach.
Is that right?
exactly, good analogy
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:02 pm to Salmon
quote:
as in you are only gay if you act upon it?
please clarify
If you think about robbing a bank, have an urge to rob a bank, but you don't. Are you still a bank robber?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:03 pm to KeyserSoze999
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you don't remember if you chose to have sex with a man or not?
I don't remember ever deciding that I liked women
I never chose to be attracted to women
Saying it is a choice implies that I can choose to be attracted to men at anytime
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:04 pm to GumboPot
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Kind of like I choose to eat french fries and choose not to eat steamed spinach, because I was born to like french fries and hate steamed spinach.
do you not see the contradiction in this post?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:04 pm to Salmon
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Saying it is a choice implies that I can choose to be attracted to men at anytime
is it not possible, have you never injected good heroin and wanted to get funky?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:05 pm to Salmon
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do you not see the contradiction in this post?
an inclination does not deny a choice
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:05 pm to KeyserSoze999
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is it not possible, have you never injected good heroin and wanted to get funky?
nope 
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:05 pm to Salmon
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I don't know about you, but I don't remember this choice in my life
This is the primary misconception about choice. There are simple and complex choices, and people act as if that's not the case.
You have a choice in life to be successful in life, or be a bum. To be driven or not to be. A simple choice to bend over and tie your shoe if it comes undone is very different than the complex choices people undergo when they are kids turning into sexually mature adults.
Homosexuality is generally caused from psychological and social predispositions of weaknesses and these things can be made worse by different types of upbringings or abuses.
Human sexuality is not as iron clad from an early age into adulthood as we may think. It becomes far more rigid as we turn older, but earlier on, it's more pliant and impressionable.
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:06 pm to Salmon
I would say he means more goes into your identity than sexual orientation.
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