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re: Rudy Giuliani found liable for defaming GA election workers, has to pay damages.

Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27393 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:56 pm to
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Costs.

He's an experienced lawyer. He can save costs by doing the work himself and giving it to his attorneys to publish. This happens all the time.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3289 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:59 pm to
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Trump’s premier election lawyer


Nah, that would be Jack Smith, Fani Willis, and the like.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:00 pm to
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He's an experienced lawyer. He can save costs by doing the work himself and giving it to his attorneys to publish. This happens all the time.
I don't think this is like an attorney-defendant drafting a first run at a pleading for his attorney. We are looking at hundreds of hours of techie time massaging data out of his devices in a form responsive to the various discovery requests, as I understand it.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 2:03 pm
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17666 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:01 pm to
So this is a libel civil suit where the defendant admitted he had no evidence to support false statements?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56276 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:02 pm to
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So this is a libel civil suit where the defendant admitted he had no evidence to support false statements?


Not what happened. He admitted to making the statements. He argued that those admissions made production moot. The judge disagreed and instead of ordering production she issued a default judgment.
Posted by bayou2
New Orleans, LA
Member since Feb 2007
3723 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:03 pm to


... let me expand on this ...

everything, everything from the get go is a pack of lies

not a thing about this is true

For instance - the first question

Was the election stolen?

If you believe it was and you state that in court --- well you go to prison

But then what if that turns out to be true and they are able to prove it

Well there goes your house of cards

These 2 womenz from Georgia have to keep the charade going and if they are exposed as lying

Well baby, that's it

So this is -- you lie
No, you lie first
No, you lie first
and so on, all to keep it going

All a pack of lies which cannot be sworn testimony before a judge.

Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154430 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:03 pm to
When is he going to release the evidence?
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9565 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:03 pm to
Civil suit??????Maybe it a way of easing himself into bankruptcy, which would help in defending himself against the other 91 federal law fare claims. I mean if you do not have the bucks to pay for discovery mandates then the mandate process has to slow down
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17147 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:04 pm to
"Question the election and we will financially, socially, and politically drown you"
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
14935 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:04 pm to
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HHTM giddy at an Obama judge issuing a default judgement. All to legitimize the 2020 election results in Georgia. Your admission to being a far left wacko is almost complete.

Giuliani has already admitted that the factual pleadings in the complaint are true and that statements made by Giuliani were false.

Did you miss that part?
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:07 pm to
Rudy’s evidence = tKraken?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:07 pm to
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In a court filing on Tuesday, Giuliani stated that he "does not contest the factual allegations" made by Freeman and Moss regarding his statements


That doesn’t prove what you think it does. It means he doesn’t deny making the statements.





LINK

He said his statements were false, but protected speech.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89742 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:07 pm to
it seems that you are correct but there is an underlying strategy that Team Rudy is using that treats all of the individual cases he is facing as one common foe. The Ruby Freeman case is not the most pressing legal matter facing Rudy and thus they are willing to take a hit in the Ruby Freeman case to protect themselves in the other cases.

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I think he said in court that the FBI had those devices. And if they did, and they weren't in his possession, he should have filed a motion to that effect...based on everything I've read and seen, he never made that claim in a legal filing.


that motion was made in NY Fed Court as part of yet another case

CNN Article

quote:

Federal prosecutors seized 18 electronic devices belonging to Rudy Giuliani and more than one of his employees when they raided his home and office last month, according to a new court filing.

The letter, dated April 29, had been previously filed publicly with many redactions. The new filing, with fewer redactions, sheds a little more light on the government’s investigative steps.

It indicates that prosecutors obtained electronic devices belonging to multiple people who worked for Giuliani Partners but it does not say specifically how many.



Giuliani previously said on Fox News that the FBI took seven or eight electronic devices when they arrived at his apartment to execute the search warrant.

His attorney, Robert Costello, previously said they also took the laptop belonging to Giuliani’s assistant when they searched his office.

Government specialists have downloaded 11 of Giuliani’s devices, according to the filing. The remainder, however, are passcode-protected, and the government has asked for Giuliani’s assistance in unlocking them.

The bulk of the now revealed material relates to a covert search of Giuliani’s iCloud account in 2019. Giuliani’s lawyers are arguing that search was illegal and prosecutors should not be able to review the materials they seized last month.

Prosecutors said they used a filter team of attorneys and FBI agents who are not on the investigative team to review the material obtained in 2019 for any items that could be covered by attorney-client or other privileges. They noted that that review is “substantially” complete.

They argued that a filter team was appropriate at the time because the warrants were executed covertly, but they are now seeking a special master, an independent person, to review the newly obtained materials in part due to the publicity of the April search.

That process was used after authorities seized material from another former lawyer for former President Donald Trump, Michael Cohen, and prosecutors said in their filing that in that case the special master “resulted in an efficient and effective privilege review.”


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That's not what he was trying to do. You hire digital firms today to perform searches using key words to pull any matching stored documentation to produce pursuant to discovery requests.



I know exactly how E-discovery works and I also know exactly the safeguards that are put in place to protect yourself when you give up your device to an E-discovery company. I also know the things you do when you get your devices back from an E-discovery company. These are multi-step processes. However it was not an E-discovery company that first had his devices, it was the FBI.

Team Rudy had to get the devices to an IT person to check what the FBI did or didnt do, then they had to give them to E-discovery to comply then they had to verify the E-discovery findings versus their own scans of the devices and they got to a point where they refused the judge's orders. we dont know why they refused

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This is all just made up based on a misunderstanding of what was going on.



it is what Rudy's lawyer says in the Politico article with a some speculation on my part added in
Posted by GI Jerm
D.C.
Member since Apr 2010
183 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:08 pm to
I’d bet he’s fat and lonely.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:09 pm to
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Not what happened. He admitted to making the false statements.


Corrected, see post above.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35306 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

#everyonewhotouchestrumpdies

Hilariously inaccurate.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:10 pm to
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I’d bet he’s fat and lonely.

Rudy? Agreed. He will die broke and in debt leaving nothing for his family but a tarnished legacy.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154430 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:10 pm to
I’m not even trolling them. I’d like to see the evidence laid out in court.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
45948 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:12 pm to
is this the Ron circle jerk or the nazi leftist circle jerk?

or is there even a difference anymore?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85531 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:13 pm to
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Republicans have been lying to their voters — and now those same voters are dying



Meanwhile the left is basically saying you are killing people. yet here you are fighting trump.

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