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re: Rubio: The old world is gone.. We live in a new era in geopolitics
Posted on 2/12/26 at 10:44 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 2/12/26 at 10:44 pm to Pettifogger
There is a non zero chance that Trump slow rolled any efforts to end the war until Russia got softened up by the Ukrainians
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Posted on 2/12/26 at 10:46 pm to GRTiger
I don't think that's even a controversial take, it's a mainstream one.
Not sure on Trump, but I think it's basically conventional wisdom that the IC goal across administrations has been to bleed Russia, not necessarily win.
Not sure on Trump, but I think it's basically conventional wisdom that the IC goal across administrations has been to bleed Russia, not necessarily win.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 10:49 pm to Pettifogger
I'm sure someone finds it offensive 
Eta
my read was the IC, EU, war profiteers, etc wanted the war to rage on, not necessarily Trump.
I think he wanted to end it initially, but combining the pushback and what the war was doing to Russia, he may have decided this will work too.
Eta
my read was the IC, EU, war profiteers, etc wanted the war to rage on, not necessarily Trump.
I think he wanted to end it initially, but combining the pushback and what the war was doing to Russia, he may have decided this will work too.
This post was edited on 2/12/26 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 2/12/26 at 10:52 pm to GRTiger
To their credit, at the height of the Russia thread were most of the posters were religious about Ukraine and waving the flag (haven't checked in lately) - even they acknowledged that (our interest in harming Russia more than Ukraine winning) fact.
They just also raged about it all the time.
They just also raged about it all the time.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 10:53 pm to GRTiger
Yeah I think your read is right. I think Trump wants the legacy win in Ukraine. He has Maduro too. He wanted Palestine. The pinnacle is regime change in Iran. But I do think he's been pretty heavily influenced by the IC telling him the benefits of a slog for Russia.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 10:55 pm to Pettifogger
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He had a good overarching take until Russia
Not sure how you can sing Russia's praises without mentioning that they're confronting a demographic cliff already and decided to Leeroy Jenkins'd it by throwing their young male population into the Ukraine meat grinder
I never presented myself as a Russian simp or said anything either unreasonable or untrue.
It makes strategic sense to strengthen our relationship with Russia. They are winning the war in Ukraine and there's nothing Ukraine or the West can do to stop it. They are facing what they consider to be an existential crisis in NATO trying to seize a country on their doorstep. If roles were reversed we would absolutely go to war over a similar situation.
I never stated that Russia is perfect or an untouchable world power. So, please enlighten me on which opinions or assertions of mine were incorrect.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 10:58 pm to Tom288
I would call any Russian victory pyrrhic at this point.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 11:01 pm to Tom288
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They are winning the war in Ukraine and there's nothing Ukraine or the West can do to stop it.
In a vacuum, we both know this is categorically false and that the West could stop it with conventional warfare in about 36 hours.
Now we won't, because of the potential for a nuclear spiral. But we could do far more in Ukraine likely without crossing that rubicon, we just don't want to, nor is their popular will for it. Trump wants out, and the intelligence community wants a forever war that hastens Russia's precipitous decline.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 11:05 pm to Pettifogger
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In a vacuum, we both know this is categorically false and that the West could stop it with conventional warfare in about 36 hours.
LMAO. We'll agree to disagree. The West is completely weak & impotent. The only way it would stop is if we personally got involved.
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But we could do far more in Ukraine likely without crossing that rubicon, we just don't want to, nor is their popular will for it. Trump wants out, and the intelligence community wants a forever war that hastens Russia's precipitous decline.
I want nothing to do with supporting the terrorist regime in Ukraine. I mean, set aside kidnapping your own citizens & throwing them in vans to send to the front to die while refusing elections, we're talking about a regime that greenlit a strike on Russia's nuclear triad, an act which, according to Russian (and any nuclear power) doctrine, constitutes a nuclear strike on Russia itself and is to be met with nuclear retaliation. Fortunately, they've shown insane amounts of restraint.
We should have nothing to do with Ukraine or Israel. Cutting ties with those two parasites would dramatically improve our lives overnight.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 11:11 pm to Pettifogger
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In a vacuum, we both know this is categorically false and that the West could stop it with conventional warfare in about 36 hours.
Drones are playing a huge part in this war, maybe russia didn’t account for that, they are losing large amounts of troops due to this.
Putin doesn’t want nato on their doorstep and trump is their ally in trying to get rid of nato.
Posted on 2/12/26 at 11:12 pm to hawgfaninc
fricking Cubans should go back to their own country
Posted on 2/12/26 at 11:52 pm to Tom288
quote:"Are you stupid or something?"
. The West is completely weak & impotent. The only way it would stop is if we personally got involved
quote:Oh sure, sure.
I never presented myself as a Russian simp
Posted on 2/13/26 at 12:17 am to Tom288
I like you Tom288! You've got a fire in your belly and the stats to back up your talk. We should share a beer or three sometime.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 12:20 am to hawgfaninc
Trump has brought out the best in Rubio.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 12:24 am to Jake88
The war in Ukraine sure has illuminated those who don't understand MANY intricacies of warfare and the motivations of those who engage in warfare.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 1:51 am to Riverside
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Trump has brought out the best in Rubio.
Rubio looks like a deer in the headlights when around this regime. He appears to be the only one with a lick of sense among them and doesn’t exert the ignorance that is going on around him. I don’t know how or why he’s staying amongst this trash but he clearly doesn’t belong with this tripe.
He reminds me of pence, tolerating it because it’s his job but when it came to the nut cutting pence followed the constitution and did the right thing, hopefully Rubio will as well.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:06 am to uziyourillusion
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The EU has a GDP 9 times that of Russia and 3 times their population. There is no world where Russia is more relevant than Europe.
I don't have the numbers but I would bet a couple paychecks that Russia spends a much larger percentage of their GDP on their military than the entire EU combined.
Russia sucks but the US provides a financial and defensive security blanket that allows the EU to wrap their hands around socialism.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 2:09 am to hawgfaninc
I am very proud of Little Marco, what a pleasant surprise he has turned out to be.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 6:35 am to Tom288
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It's a multipolar world split between us, Russia, & China.
Russia is no longer one of the poles, it dances to whatever China tells it to. Europe is way more relevant than Russia.
Posted on 2/13/26 at 6:48 am to Tom288
Russia is in a war of attrition in Ukraine. They have a bit of experience with this approach and they will ultimately prevail. The only contingency under which they might not is if the western European countries actively intervened. The problem is, even if they had the political will to do so (they don't), they don't have the military capability to do this.
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