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re: Richard Nelson with the best quote of the Gov. Race thus far
Posted on 3/13/23 at 11:36 am to White Bear
Posted on 3/13/23 at 11:36 am to White Bear
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But Nelson’s “plan” will not change anything
What do you think his plan is?
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Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:23 pm to BigJim
quote:He says his income tax plan is revenue neutral which is a waste of time. Lots of wordy sounds good (to some) bullshite that will improve nothing. If he says he will cut gov growth and spending, and taxes, he has my support. But he is not saying anything close to that.
What do you think his plan is?
Posted on 3/13/23 at 1:19 pm to White Bear
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He says his income tax plan is revenue neutral which is a waste of time. Lots of wordy sounds good (to some) bullshite that will improve nothing. If he says he will cut gov growth and spending, and taxes, he has my support. But he is not saying anything close to that.
You probably got that from press coverage, fair enough.
If you look at his 2021 bills you can get some details:LINK
He eliminates the state income tax
Eliminates ITEP
Cuts the homestead exemption to $20k
Increases the millage locals can levy
Increases reassessments from every 4 years to annually
Eliminates the $90m Rev Sharing Fund
Shifts about $2b in MFP (k-12 formula funding) from states to locals
Eliminates capital outlay to locals
Probably more details in the enabling legislation LINK
He will probably not be able to get all this done but at least you can see his plan.
As you can see, he has thought about this a LOT. Media just haven't covered it.
Now you may not like this; but this gets us very close to a Florida and Texas model with no income tax and higher local property taxes.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 2:51 pm to Socrates Johnson
Wonder where Nelson was when DumbBel was ordering kids to get the shot and shutting down the economy?
Posted on 3/13/23 at 3:53 pm to White Bear
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The term “revenue neutral” concerning income tax came from his own mouth. 7:59
Yes, never disputed that. But what you also said was:
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But Nelson’s “plan” will not change anything
And I gave a summary of a pretty detailed plan that had several MAJOR changes. Now at the end of the day, he said he wants it to be revenue neutral. But it would be a big shift from state revenue to local revenue.
Hard to say that would "not change anything."
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:24 pm to winkchance
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Wonder where Nelson was when DumbBel was ordering kids to get the shot and shutting down the economy?
Good question
LINK
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:45 pm to RobbBobb
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Have you not paid attention to the Orleans DA? turning people loose right and left? How has that impacted the city?
There has to be a happy medium between throwing weed heads in jail and letting gun crimes walk.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:46 pm to KiwiHead
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Funny thing though, We keep incarcerating people, locking them up, but the prison population continues to grow. Maybe, our prisons are crime universities. They certainly produce successful graduates.
Chris Rock has a routine about this
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:54 pm to White Bear
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The term “revenue neutral” concerning income tax came from his own mouth
Our overall state and local tax burden is middle of the 50 states.
Our problems are:
1) too much flows through Baton Rouge and not enough is raised / spent locally
2) partly because of #1, too many bands are in the pot and our ROI is horrible.
When he says revenue neutral he means smaller state govt and larger local govt because the locals would things the state currently does.
Like BigJim said, it’s the Texas and Florida model.
Posted on 3/13/23 at 9:08 pm to White Bear
I'm confused. Do you not understand what "revenue neutral" means?
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:47 am to Socrates Johnson
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Wonder where Nelson was when DumbBel was ordering kids to get the shot and shutting down the economy?
Good question
LINK
“While initially Draconian restrictions were necessary, they are not a sustainable solution,” writes Nelson.
Not a real bold approach since he believed in the Draconian restrictions at all.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 12:58 pm to winkchance
If that is the deciding factor for you, then you should vote for the candidate for governor that opposed all shutdowns all along, and share with us. It is not the only thing important to me, but it is important. This was the earliest article I found with any of the candidates being critical of the response.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:07 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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The biggest problem with this state is that we expect something for nothing
wow. you make too much sense for this board.
Look at the ambulance chasing lawyers. They're popular because you can rich doing nothing. It's a legal lottery.
I want my garbage picked up twice a week, but don't want to pay for it.
I want my roads fixed, but don't want construction.
I want nice things -- for free and no inconvenience to me.
No one person (R or D) is going to make a difference. If he or she says something against the grain, they'll be lit up.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:13 pm to BigJim
Making everything more straightforward instead of obfuscating the frick out of it would be a major improvement even if no new money comes in.
Trying to deal with sales tax exemption changes and their economic impact is akin to voodoo.
Trying to deal with sales tax exemption changes and their economic impact is akin to voodoo.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:15 pm to Socrates Johnson
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Seems more concerned with solving underlying problems based on data rather than emotions.
He gonna fix our demographics?
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:17 pm to grizzlylongcut
Find a way to boot people off welfare and make them pay their hospital bills and it may correct itself through migration.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:21 pm to Socrates Johnson
quote:my point is gov at all levels is too large and needs cutting, taxes should be cut for what we get for our money . Our population continues to shrink, gov continues to grow. A conservative should not be pro-gov growth is what I’m saying, bottom line.
I'm confused. Do you not understand what "revenue neutral" means?
This post was edited on 3/14/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:23 pm to BigJim
quote:I should’ve specified his abolish income tax plan, if “revenue neutral nothing changes. Do you think local gov will not continue and/or explode in growth if given the chance?
And I gave a summary of a pretty detailed plan that had several MAJOR changes. Now at the end of the day, he said he wants it to be revenue neutral. But it would be a big shift from state revenue to local revenue.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 2:37 pm to Socrates Johnson
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I think incarceration in this state can improve with long term economic opportunity provided by rational education reforms and vocational programs. Also, i think that incentivizing prisons to prepare prisoners better for productivity post-release would lead to a decrease in crimes of opportunity.
More programs won't fix black culture, which is responsible for the high incarceration rate in Louisiana and other southern states.
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