re: RFK Jr on vaccines and the low autism rates in the Amish community

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The spike in Autism is 3 fold:
1) Our food is poisoning us.
2) Women having a first child later in life.
3) The definition of Autism is insanely vague (everyone has autism).

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literally a spectrum.

I think these are spot on, but its much bigger and more dynamic that just these.

I believe it’s a variety of factors that are attributed to the modern lifestyle.

Lack of sunshine, socialization, poor diet, aging parents, lack of discipline, changes in education, wide use of birth control pills, etc.

There’s a lot of things different about our lifestyle that is different from traditional social order like Amish. I’m not sure if this is an “easy” issue to solve.

I dont know about "elites" or whateverthefrick that means, but parents in general dont want to accept that their children aren't strong students or are disruptive in school. Rather than accept being a less than stellar parent and making tough changes at home, they look for medical excuses and often get exactly what they are looking for. As the culture degrades into fatherlessness and parenting via devices and medication, this problem only gets worse.

There's a sizeable chunk of the ADD/ADHD/Dyslexia patient pool that fall in this bucket.

older parents
two working parents
single parents, in particular fatherlessness
shite food
overly medicated
lack of active play
lack of socialization
no bullying or social stigmas
bad parenting - in particular corporal punishment and discipline
technology

There's a virtual proxy for almost everything innately human, from basic communication(text, snap) to social interactions (social media) to play (video games) to sex (pr0n). Our children are starved from each other while thinking they are more socially connected than ever. Hell, we are all engaged in a debate now that would certainly play out differently if we were all in a room together.

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There is also really no evidence to say there is not a correlation either.

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Well, I do not think this is correct. The way research works is based on developing a hypothesis and then a null hypothesis. In this case.

Hypothesis: Vaccines have a direct correlation to autism.
Null Hypothesis: Vaccines do not have a direct correlation to autism.

Then you setup a treatment/control study. You look at the difference and you run some type of inferential statistic on the result set and test your null hypothesis. That statistic will return what is referred to a p value. If the statistical difference comes back significant, and in most cases of medical cases at a .01 alpha. The alpha just means the chance it happens by random chance. A small alpha means there is very little chance the effect is random. If that P value is greater than .01 then you say the null is not rejected. In other words the research does not support the conclusion of the hypothesis. It does support the conclusion of the null hypothesis.

So, basically, as I read the research on vaccines, as it is currently conducted, there has not been any direct correlation between autism and vaccines.

Great discussion here…

Speaking as a parent of an autistic child (mild to moderate, not “high functioning”). I see kids all the time who are “high functioning” and I swear they are normal kids.

I can speak on the vaccines, diet, etc. My wife and I were extremely healthy individuals when we conceived our son. We were in the best shape of our lives. We ate protein, fruits, veggies, and nuts, very little processed food throughout pregnancy. My son was born without any issues. He was a fairly healthy child, smiling laughing, speech was progressing, we have videos of him at 9 months saying momma daddy etc. At some point around his 12 month injections, things changed. He got fever after vaccines, and was never really the same since. I’m not pointing directly to the vaccines, but I wish I would have done things differently.

I have a 7 yr old daughter whom we staggered vaccines for while she stayed at home with mom. She is perfectly normal and healthy. Mouthy as hell…