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re: Respect for Marriage Act passes House (258 to 169) - now heads to Biden's desk
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:36 pm to the808bass
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:36 pm to the808bass
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Provides the basis for people to sue organizations and persons not complying with the newthink on gay marriage.
Activist judges forcing defendants to endure years of legal fees before an appeals court finally ends the charade is a legit concern.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:37 pm to HubbaBubba
Under who’s authority does the Government think it can change the definition and nature of marriage?
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:38 pm to Indefatigable
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Provides the basis for people to sue organizations and persons not complying with the newthink on gay marriage.
Activist judges forcing defendants to endure years of legal fees before an appeals court finally ends the charade is a legit concern.
Since 2015 when Obergefell was ruled on, has any church been sued to marry a same-sex couple?
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:40 pm to CauleyHog
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Under who’s authority does the Government think it can change the definition and nature of marriage?
Who issues marriage license government or the church.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:41 pm to CauleyHog
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Under who’s authority does the Government think it can change the definition and nature of marriage?
Let me guess, that's only something God can do?
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:41 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Extended from my question that I started with.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:45 pm to oogabooga68
& WHAT right do you have over what a woman does with her body as she does with what you do with yours?
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:45 pm to tiger1014
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No better than the Taliban
You'd be shoved off the nearest roof.
Want to retry that "no better than"?
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:50 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Words mean things & marriage has existed for 1000’s of years.
Yes, and according to state and federal government, it's marriage.
By all means, keep your personal/religious definition of marriage. I don't care about it. Live your life.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:53 pm to Godfather1
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Bookmarked.
Put it on a poster at the corner of Tigerbend and Jones Creek.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 3:53 pm to the808bass
Observations and question about the history of marriage as being a religious matter, in particular in the Abrahamic religions. As the "parent" religion, let's look at Judaism.
In modern times, a rabbi performs marriage ceremonies, as I understand it. But that is a relatively-modern development. Back in the time of the Second Temple, rabbis (in the modern sense of a religious officiant) did not even exist. A rabbi was just a "teacher" ... a religious scholar (again, as I understand it) and not a formal leader of any sort of religious congregation.
Religious observances instead took place at the Second Temple, in Jerusalem. And the officiant were the Levite priests. Nowhere else and no one else, right? Synagogues did exist, but they appear to have been centers of learning, rather than centers of worship, until sometime in the First Century ... possibly after destruction of the Second Temple.
I have not been able to find anything in the Bible to indicate that everyone who wanted to marry had to troop off to the Temple in Jerusalem and find a Levite priest.
Instead, my research tends to indicate that the potential groom (or his family) would pay a brideprice to the family of the potential bride. I cannot find any evidence that any priests or even lesser Levites were involved in the process at all. Basically, the betrothal was just a contract between the two families.
After a period of about a year (when the potential groom prepared a home among other things), he would just blow a ram's horn, go collect his new wife and take her to the new home. They would consummate and maybe have a party celebrating the new marriage. Again, no priests or Levites seem to have been involved.
In fact, I have been able to find no evidence anywhere in the Bible of ANY marriage ceremony. Jesus does seem to have attended something analogous to a "wedding reception" in Cana, where he provided the wine, but there is no mention of a preceding ceremony of any sort. I know that I always just sort of assumed that there had been a ceremony, because that is the modern practice. But I can find nothing in the Book itself.
By modern standards, the families just exchanged goods or goats or money, then some time later the new couple shacked-up. Basically, EVERY marriage was a "common law" marriage.
The entire concept seems to me to have been a contractual arrangement, rather than a religious one OR a government/civil one. Have I missed some important passage in the Old or New Testament regarding marriage ceremonies?
Ancient rituals related to marriage
In modern times, a rabbi performs marriage ceremonies, as I understand it. But that is a relatively-modern development. Back in the time of the Second Temple, rabbis (in the modern sense of a religious officiant) did not even exist. A rabbi was just a "teacher" ... a religious scholar (again, as I understand it) and not a formal leader of any sort of religious congregation.
Religious observances instead took place at the Second Temple, in Jerusalem. And the officiant were the Levite priests. Nowhere else and no one else, right? Synagogues did exist, but they appear to have been centers of learning, rather than centers of worship, until sometime in the First Century ... possibly after destruction of the Second Temple.
I have not been able to find anything in the Bible to indicate that everyone who wanted to marry had to troop off to the Temple in Jerusalem and find a Levite priest.
Instead, my research tends to indicate that the potential groom (or his family) would pay a brideprice to the family of the potential bride. I cannot find any evidence that any priests or even lesser Levites were involved in the process at all. Basically, the betrothal was just a contract between the two families.
After a period of about a year (when the potential groom prepared a home among other things), he would just blow a ram's horn, go collect his new wife and take her to the new home. They would consummate and maybe have a party celebrating the new marriage. Again, no priests or Levites seem to have been involved.
In fact, I have been able to find no evidence anywhere in the Bible of ANY marriage ceremony. Jesus does seem to have attended something analogous to a "wedding reception" in Cana, where he provided the wine, but there is no mention of a preceding ceremony of any sort. I know that I always just sort of assumed that there had been a ceremony, because that is the modern practice. But I can find nothing in the Book itself.
By modern standards, the families just exchanged goods or goats or money, then some time later the new couple shacked-up. Basically, EVERY marriage was a "common law" marriage.
The entire concept seems to me to have been a contractual arrangement, rather than a religious one OR a government/civil one. Have I missed some important passage in the Old or New Testament regarding marriage ceremonies?
Ancient rituals related to marriage
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:11 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Bookmarked
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Put it on a poster at the corner of Tigerbend and Jones Creek.
You’ll just have to excuse me if I don’t have any faith that you won’t “evolve” on your position.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:14 pm to Indefatigable
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We’ll all be gay gender neutral avatars in the Metaverse by then.
Most of you will be. Moral relativism never stops.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:41 pm to AggieHank86
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RMA will be in place pending resolution of those challenges.
RMA would be invalidated by any state that has a ban on SSM though. Federal cannot force one state's laws onto another state that has laws that disagree. Only Federal laws can be applied to every state.
If they have no laws against SSM, then it could apply.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 4:43 pm to Mickey Goldmill
It's not a marriage.
Man and women. Period.
That's never gonna change.
Man and women. Period.
That's never gonna change.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:07 pm to Mickey Goldmill
will a business owner be able to avers his/her innocence in the court of law if they don't recognize such a degenerate union from another state?
can anyone help me out, what is the stick in this situation? clearly there isn't a carrot. is this bill intended to punish/destroy anyone who doesn't fall in line?
clearly a lot of people-by way of religious or individual hegemony-won't play along, as is their right. so what is the sole intent? control? threat? loyalty? ESG score? bribe? free gay sex?
Honk Honk.
can anyone help me out, what is the stick in this situation? clearly there isn't a carrot. is this bill intended to punish/destroy anyone who doesn't fall in line?
clearly a lot of people-by way of religious or individual hegemony-won't play along, as is their right. so what is the sole intent? control? threat? loyalty? ESG score? bribe? free gay sex?
Honk Honk.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:08 pm to SoonerK
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Since 2015 when Obergefell was ruled on, has any church been sued to marry a same-sex couple?
Not that I am aware of.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:11 pm to Goonie02
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is this bill intended to punish/destroy anyone who doesn't fall in line?
It was pushed into existence by the current regime before they lose the House. What are the odds that it’s NOT intended to punish their political enemies? They hate you.
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:11 pm to DarthRebel
quote:if Scotus were to reverse Obergefell and Loving, yes that could possibly be the eventual result.
RMA would be invalidated by any state that has a ban on SSM though. Federal cannot force one state's laws onto another state that has laws that disagree
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 12/8/22 at 5:13 pm to Godfather1
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You’ll just have to excuse me if I don’t have any faith that you won’t “evolve” on your position.
That’s fair. You don’t know me.
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