re: Republicans Fail to See the Biggest Issue Costing them Undecided Voters

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When, exactly does it become a child, then?

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That is the question, indeed.

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From where I'm sitting, when a new life is conceived inside its mother

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And that's your opinion. Clearly, it's the minority opinion in the US today.

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Essentially what you're saying is that life and value are conferred based on how developed a human being is.

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No. He's saying development determines when those cells become a human being. You choose conception for this.

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Keep pushing that being the only exception when 80-90% of the country disagrees..

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80-90% of the country disagreeing has no bearing on the moral correctness of their opinion.

Not unless you think morality = popularity contest, in which case you have to admit that slavery in 1860 was 100% moral.

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And that's your opinion. Clearly, it's the minority opinion in the US today.

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And in 1860 the idea that black people were fully human was a minority opinion.

So what?

The people who opposed that point of view were willing to go to war over it, which is a hell of a lot more commitment than taking political damage over it.

We're they suckers and rubes?

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Nobody is going to force you to have an abortion.

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But you do want to codify a glaring societal exceptional standard without any good reason.

Obviously, that's what he's referring to.

If there was a faction of the US who wanted to decriminalize rape, would, "Don't believe in rape, fine, don't commit one" compel you toward that point of view?

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These women are too dumb to reach unfortunately. No offense to your family.

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There is not a single EU country that allows an abortion in the third trimester.

But in the US, there are currently six states that do.

And Minnesota, for example, has documented after-birth abortions on the books.

As Einstein pointed out, the world operates on "stupidity, fear and greed."

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they feel should be their’s to make, whatever that choice may be.

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Murder is murder...

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Only if you frame some very important variables of the argument.

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Yeah, that's exactly the point. "Important variables" (premises) are necessary to an argument. I'm happy to discuss those premises.

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I was right.

Your assumption is that at that stage it's a child. Remove this framing and it becomes emotional to oppose the exceptions.

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OK, and removing the framing assumption that slaves are human changes the argumentation against slavery. The question is whether or not the assumptions (premises) are accurate.

It's definitionally true the the human offspring inside the mother is her child and the child is a child (law of identify) based on accepted definitions of biological offspring being "children" of their parents. A child in the womb is the biological offspring of its parents, thus, it is a child of its parents, whether that be inside the womb or outside.

Even the word "fetus" provides clarity on this issue. While many use the word "fetus" as a value statement of the child rather than merely a technical term for development, the word, itself, is Latin for "offspring", which, again, is what a child is. So even the dehumanizing usage of the word "fetus" is simply saying that the child is a child in another language.

So back to the argument: if the argument is that abortion should be tolerated or even promoted in instances of rape (I believe it applies to incest, as well), and the only--or at least primary--argument provided is that it's cruel, mean, or "barbaric" to require a mother to carry the child of her rapist, then that doesn't provide a rational support for the exception. It's merely making a value judgement based on personal opinion. What one person believes is cruel, mean, or barbaric may not be considered cruel, mean, or barbaric to another. Therefore, the entire argument isn't based on a logical argument but a subjective and emotional one.

The entire argument is meant to attack the emotional sensibilities rather than the rational mind as few actually want to be perceived as a barbarian or mean for making someone do something unpleasant that they don't want to do.

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That's not an assumption.

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Faming, assumption, take your pick.

Assumption was intended to be a euphemism to remove possible interpretations of allegations of intentional dishonesty (via framing)

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It's a self evident observation.

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Within your self-chosen framing.

Abortion

I stand with the body that is in their body. Does the child have rights? Women have lost their soul and conscience. Same thing applies to the man.