re: Republicans Fail to See the Biggest Issue Costing them Undecided Voters

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I wonder if I think really hard I can find some differences between a primitive fetus that has never possessed consciousness or felt pain, etc.

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Their current condition would be identical to the one you posted

No sweat though, I dont want you people having children. Abort away, the world is better without your offspring.

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But they see the issue not necessarily as one of a decision to have an abortion or not, but as a politician making a choice for them that they feel should be their’s to make, whatever that choice may be.

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It's weird none of these types of people are lobbying for the legalization of heroin. What makes them so obsessed with having the right to kill babies.

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Most of my Democrat family members think Roe v Wade was the name of the law, rather than a court ruling. They think Donald Trump personally over turned this law and that he will make abortion permanently illegal if voted into office, despite him 1) not having the power to do so unilaterally and 2) despite him consistently saying he wouldn't do so and that he is personally in favor of allowing abortions with some limit like 10 weeks or 12 weeks. and 3) not realizing that its still legal in most states.

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Herein lies the problem.

1) Most people are so ignorant to the processes of checks and balances that they cannot spot inaccurate claims when they're repeated at them.

2) The media will repeat a lie over and over again to the point that people accept it as fact. There is an abundance of low info voters who gobble this stuff up and cannot critically think.

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There are situations that arent immediate life and death issues but that can still impact a woman's health and their ability to conceive at a later date.

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O.k., but are women not expected to take any responsibility for the consequences of choosing to have sex at all?

Is the unborn human expected to bear the consequence for all of them?

Abortion is where it should be. In the states hands.
It's the lying about nation wide abortion bans.

Women being the largest portion of undecided voters at this junction just further makes the case that women, by and large, should not be allowed to make important decisions for a nation. That's not misogynistic, that's fact.

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There are situations that arent immediate life and death issues but that can still impact a woman's health and their ability to conceive at a later date

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...and? Let's kill this baby so maybe it doesn't happen next time? Stupid logic. They can make no such guarantees and will never be able to do so.

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You also left out fetal viability and birth defects as reasons for exceptions and there are a lot of those cases.

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These are not justifications for murder. The only justification to terminate a pregnancy early is if the mother's life is in immediate danger. That's it. That's the list.

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It’s not a child yet.

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When, exactly does it become a child, then?

From where I'm sitting, when a new life is conceived inside its mother, that new life is the child of its mother and father, as at that point, it has all the genetic information to be a unique and growing offspring.

Attempting to sanitize your language about it in order to, presumably, remove any valuation of it does not change what it is.

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If performed in the first month and a half or so, it’s very primitive

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And? A 6-month old human child in the womb is also very primitive compared to an adult human being. So is a newborn. "Primitive" is a relative term. Cake batter in the oven is a primitive cake, but if left alone until the right time, that cake will become less primitive and more mature, and something for others to enjoy. If left alone until the right time, the child will also become less "primitive" to be cared for and enjoyed.

Essentially what you're saying is that life and value are conferred based on how developed a human being is. When does that line of thinking actually stop? Should the rape and murder of a a 10 year-old girl be treated less severely than the rape and murder of a 40 year-old woman because the younger is less developed and has not had the experiences and even productivity to society that the older has? Is the lack of full development a mitigating factor for the rape? I believe we tend to treat the rape and murder of a child with more emotional outrage and severity than when it happens to an adult, but you seem to be arguing that the younger and less developed a living human being is, the less we should care bout their humanity and value.

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No consciousness. No pain sensation. No birth into a horrible set of circumstances.

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All of those characteristics can be used to justify killing a child who has been born for 2 weeks. A 2 week-old child has no real consciousness, or at least self-consciousness. A bullet to the head could also result in no pain sensation in the death. "Horrible circumstances" can exist at all ages.

There is nothing here that is unique to a child in the womb. Human beings can experience all of those in varying degrees at varying ages and stages of of development. There's a reason you have several comments responding to you about people in comas. You are using an arbitrary set of characteristics to justify the killing of children in the womb.

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The mother and physicians should have the freedom to make that hard choice in those uncommon and terrible scenarios

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To kill their children? What if a mother (or father) wants to make the "hard choice" to kill their 1 year-old because they realized they aren't cut out for parenthood? Why not leave that up to them and their doctor on how best to "humanely" dispose of their little hardship?

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The issue of abortion isn’t necessarily only about killing a growing fetus. It’s about the IVF issue. You can’t sit back and call every woman who is dying to become a mother and spending thousands upon thousands of dollars to do so a fricking sinner and baby killer then expect these women to happily vote for you.

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Holy gaslight Batman

so muh drumpf banned all abortions? really? link?


educate the dumbass women in your life.

you are a LOSER AND FAILURE