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re: Rep. Gaetz has officially filed the Motion to Vacate the Chair against McCarthy

Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:33 am to
Posted by RandoBigot
Member since Sep 2023
116 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:33 am to
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Why do y'all always turn this into a black and white, zero-sum game scenario? I don't like Kevin McCarthy. That has no bearing on understanding Gaetz is about to fail in epic fashion and (1) give the DEMs a big W and (2) marginalize the policies Gaetz claims to be promoting. The GOP (and MAGA) are going to get less and end up further behind with the Gaetz strategy than normal negotiations.


Can you at least admit if every man were wired like you we’d still be paying taxes to a king?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28550 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:39 am to
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Seriously some of you on here are the same ones who think Oz was a worse candidate than Fetterman,


The issue with Oz was that he was a worse candidate than 10,000 other Republicans in PA.

And those of you talking about people sucking McCarthy's dick need to wipe Trump's splooge off your face before you speak.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38569 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:40 am to
McCarthy has a choice, ransom his Speakership to the Dems to stay in, or forfeit Speaker. Of course, whomever comes after McCarthy will be in the same position. Dems are lock step and Republicans never will be. 'United we stand, divided we fall'.
Posted by Classy Doge
Member since Nov 2021
4519 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:43 am to
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There has been frick all done so far that was promised so feel free to explain just what we are losing

Another back door shady deal with the Dems?

Anything done about the border crisis?

Did the budget get worked to our favor?

Did the tapes get released?

Has there been anything in the Conservative agenda that has gone our way? The answer is no.


All of this right here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465279 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:43 am to
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There has been frick all done so far that was promised

You mean promised to Gaetz?

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Another back door shady deal with the Dems?

Negotiating the same shite we've been doing for 20 years isn't "shady". I don't like it, but it's not "Shady".

The DEMs will get more now, though, so you consider that a victory?

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Has there been anything in the Conservative agenda that has gone our way?

When you rely on people like Gaetz and strategies like Gaetz's, it's not a shock MAGA isn't getting their way other than virtue signaling and then sky screaming once you realize you lost (again).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465279 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:45 am to
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Can you at least admit if every man were wired like you we’d still be paying taxes to a king?

No.

The Boston Tea Party won no battles in the Revolutionary war.

Smart strategy and selling out a little (with France, in this scenario) is what won the war.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465279 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:45 am to
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Dems are lock step and Republicans never will be.

This is the lesson, and why letting Gaetz pander and break up any ability for the GOP to be lock step is a losing position.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87399 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:50 am to
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Ah yes, the goalpost shift from all your “he’s been preparing a 1 page document for weeks” posts


He’s a clown.

His whole political philosophy appears to be based upon Bobby Knight’s “if rape is inevitable, you might as well lay back and enjoy it” statement.
Posted by MsState of mind
State of Denial
Member since Aug 2013
2728 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:51 am to
So McCarthy negotiates with freedom caucus in January to get the votes needed to maintain SOH and then follows through with none of it and you think the 23 that initially voted no will just vote yes again?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38569 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:53 am to
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This is the lesson, and why letting Gaetz pander and break up any ability for the GOP to be lock step is a losing position.



The only way the Republicans can hope for any power to address Dem hegemony is to EXPOSE the Republicans who enable said hegemony. Gaetz's move will out the RINOs, and there is no way that McCarthy can justify his leadership, or lack thereof.

The most basic example of McCarthy's failure and obvious duplicity with Dem is the Jan. 6 videos which McCarthy promised to make public. There is only one reason that those vids are not fully aired, and that is that they would expose the whole Jan. 6 'insurrection' narrative upon which the prosecutions are based as FRAUD. And even worse than mere fraud, but a conspiratorial enterprise by Pelosi, CIA/FBI et al to paint Trump and his supporters as criminals. This is no small thing, and McCarthy goes along with it. And as such, he becomes an 'enabler' to Leftist (Fascist) hegemony and "fundamental change".

Lead, follow or get out of the way so that somebody who can, will.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465279 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 8:57 am to
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The only way the Republicans can hope for any power to address Dem hegemony is to EXPOSE the Republicans who enable said hegemony


The "hegemony" is the group in power.

A very small minority splinter party isn't going to "expose" (or do) much except hijack close votes to give DEMs victories.

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Gaetz's move will out the RINOs

The "RINOs" their constituents see as the real Republicans and will continue to support, which is the vast majority of Republicans in the US. These voters don't want a Gaetz.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40191 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:02 am to
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Dems are lock step and Republicans never will be. 'United we stand, divided we fal


Finally, some intelligent posting.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40191 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:10 am to
One of two things is going to happen here.

McCarthy is going to cut a deal with the Dems to stay in power

OR

Gaetz is going to cut a deal with the Dems to remove McCarthy.

Either way, the Dems are going to get something out of this.

Why? Because the simple fact is, the Dems are better at playing the political game, than the GOP is. That cannot be denied.

The Dems have one goal - doing whatever is necessary to secure and enhance power. That's it. They have no backbone, they have no morals. Whatever slimy deal they need to cut to gain even a tiny bit more power, they will all fall in line and do so.

Unfortunetly, Gaetz backed himself into a corner, and has no other way out.

The Dems have to be laughing their butts off right now at their good luck. All they have to do is sit back and watch their enemies (the GOP) destroy themselves.

I like Gaetz's policy positions. But he is a terrible, terrible politician, and the reality is, to achieve the goals he wants to achieve, he has to play the politcal game better than others. And he's about the worst at playing the game.

Longer term, this does absolutely nothing to "expose" RINOs / uniparty. Ain't a single voter in America that is suprised at any of this. They know what they are voting for.

You won't get any change until you elect better people. If we elect 300 Matt Gaetzs, we will have success. But only electing 25 of them is a disaster.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
32095 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:25 am to
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
7888 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:54 am to
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Seriously some of you on here are the same ones who think Oz was a worse candidate than Fetterman, and totally discount the 100s of millions zuck was pouring into said districts. Nope no correlation between that and electing a mentally ill person, none, and actually convince yourselves.

thats a pretty big stretch from noticing that the GOP is eating itself, which it is
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61877 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:07 am to
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It's not a "goalpost shift" when we have been waiting for Gaetz to show that the emperor never had any clothes.

Filing the motion was just the first step in his failure.

Now we get to witness the DEMs turn this into a W, exposing his shitty strategy and lack of support in real time.



Gaetz has been transparent in what is the likely outcome here. You just aren't informed.

I appreciate what Gaetz is doing immensely. He's one of the few fighting. He isn't trying to enrich himself by getting on committee's and selling himself. He's going to get thrown off every committee he's on.

You pretending like this results in a win for Democrats is hilarious. All Gaetz is doing is illuminating the status quo. The Dems were already winning. McCarthy is already owned by the dems.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61877 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:14 am to
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One of two things is going to happen here.

McCarthy is going to cut a deal with the Dems to stay in power



That would actually be a deal with a quid pro quo...one that probably has already been agreed to and that McCarthy has fulfilled.

Gaetz isn't making a deal with the Democrats. If Democrats choose to vote for Jefferies as is the historical precident, it won't be because Gaetz made a deal. In fact, Gaetz isn't in position to make any deals. Your entire premise is invalid.

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Either way, the Dems are going to get something out of this.



If you get a real speaker (I don't think you will), you would actually get a real impeachment of Biden, Mayorkis, Garland, Wray, etc. You'd get single subject spending bills that gives the GOP power to negotiate with the Biden admin and limit the craziness of his policies.

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I like Gaetz's policy positions. But he is a terrible, terrible politician, and the reality is, to achieve the goals he wants to achieve, he has to play the politcal game better than others. And he's about the worst at playing the game.



This is retarded.

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Longer term, this does absolutely nothing to "expose" RINOs


wrong

quote:

You won't get any change until you elect better people


finallly said something smart
Posted by SoggyBottomBaw
Live Free Or Die
Member since Nov 2022
696 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:15 am to
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the same shite we've been doing for 20 years

Rock solid rationale used for most every revelatory truth throughout human history...
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
22465 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:55 am to
I'm starting to think these two guys don't like each other.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
74919 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 2:07 pm to
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Gaetz has been transparent in what is the likely outcome here. You just aren't informed.

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