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re: “Relevant Statistics” Thread
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:17 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:17 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:It's not a standard normalization. Let me try again to explain why.
I don’t follow your disagreement with the standard normalization.
If all violent crime were included, *then* we could normalize by population. But since only the interracial portion of crime is produced, it is already normalized in a way. That is what my population of 100 example was intended to explain. I guess people didn't follow.
The problem is this: to determine whether something is "more likely" than something else, we have to ask more likely than what? Well, the obvious baseline is random chance. And given that white people make up much more of the population than blacks, random chance says more white people will be victims of random violence. Approximately 5X more likely, actually. So if something happens to white people 9X more than something else, we would divide that by 5, not multiply. Or, if you prefer, we multiply by the inverse. In other words, it happens 9/5 = 2.2 times more often than it would randomly. Not 45 times more often.
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Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:18 pm to Korkstand
Spin the number 9 dipshit
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:19 pm to Korkstand
That is, of course, fraught with its own (incorrect) assumptions.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:19 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Not nearly as hilarious as your complete failure to recognize truth from lies.
What’s most hilarious about your post is I think you probably have fooled yourself in to thinking this is what you’re really doing.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:22 pm to the808bass
quote:Like...?
That is, of course, fraught with its own (incorrect) assumptions.
I don't disagree, just trying to understand your angle.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:26 pm to Korkstand
That blacks and whites come in contact with each other regularly and are not segregated.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:29 pm to the808bass
The effects of that fact are probably impossible to quantify, but they are reflected in the fact that people of all races are more likely to commit crimes against their own race than against other races.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:30 pm to Caplewood
Another layer that would be interesting -
Percentage of blacks killed by cop where the cop was white
Percentage of blacks killed by cop where the cop was black/other minority
Percentage of whites killed by cop where the cop was black/other minority
Percentage of whites killed by cop where the cop was white
Percentage of blacks killed by cop where the cop was white
Percentage of blacks killed by cop where the cop was black/other minority
Percentage of whites killed by cop where the cop was black/other minority
Percentage of whites killed by cop where the cop was white
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:First we need all the data rather than just the interracial subset. With that data, we can figure how likely each race is to commit a crime, and also whether those crimes are disproportionately distributed to inter- or intra-.
So korkstand, if a statistician wants to measure if whites are more likely to kill blacks than blacks are to kill whites, or vice versa, how should he/she go about doing it?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:32 pm to Korkstand
quote:
The effects of that fact are probably impossible to quantify, but they are reflected in the fact that people of all races are more likely to commit crimes against their own race than against other races.
Yeah. But it kinda shite on that other gobbledegook you posted up above.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:35 pm to Korkstand
Make the case that police brutality targets blacks disproportionately to other races .
Make the case that blacks are targeted for violence more by other races.
Make the case that blacks are victims of systematic oppression.
State the case and make the case that BLM seems to struggl to make - and please use stats in anyway you like.
Use numbers and hard data.
No feelings.
Nothing anecdotal.
Make the case as if you only had a calculator to assist you.
Make the case that blacks are targeted for violence more by other races.
Make the case that blacks are victims of systematic oppression.
State the case and make the case that BLM seems to struggl to make - and please use stats in anyway you like.
Use numbers and hard data.
No feelings.
Nothing anecdotal.
Make the case as if you only had a calculator to assist you.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:39 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Not nearly as hilarious as your complete failure to recognize truth from lies.
Lol, it seems you are the one with that problem. Sorry the data doesn’t fit the narrative you want it to.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:41 pm to Korkstand
quote:
First we need all the data rather than just the interracial subset. With that data, we can figure how likely each race is to commit a crime, and also whether those crimes are disproportionately distributed to inter- or intra-.
Objection your Honor, the data is damaging to my case.
Overruled
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:44 pm to the808bass
quote:No it doesn't. I'm just explaining that 45X is an outright lie. It is meaningless.
Yeah. But it kinda shite on that other gobbledegook you posted up above.
Here is the average annual violent crime stats for the years 2012-15. Page 2 has the average annual number of victims by race, and the percentage of those crimes based on the race of the offender.
If you can pull anything out of that which resembles 45 times something else, you are magical or deceitful.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:44 pm to Korkstand
quote:
No it doesn't. I'm just explaining that 45X is an outright lie. It is meaningless.
Here is the average annual violent crime stats for the years 2012-15. Page 2 has the average annual number of victims by race, and the percentage of those crimes based on the race of the offender.
If you can pull anything out of that which resembles 45 times something else, you are magical or deceitful.
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Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:46 pm to prplngldtigr
quote:I am not nor have I tried to make a case for any of that. I'm just telling you that the numbers posted by OP are manipulated.
Make the case that police brutality targets blacks disproportionately to other races .
Make the case that blacks are targeted for violence more by other races.
Make the case that blacks are victims of systematic oppression.
State the case and make the case that BLM seems to struggl to make - and please use stats in anyway you like.
Use numbers and hard data.
No feelings.
Nothing anecdotal.
Make the case as if you only had a calculator to assist you.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:46 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:
Lol, it seems you are the one with that problem. Sorry the data doesn’t fit the narrative you want it to.
quote:
Objection your Honor, the data is damaging to my case.
If only you were just smart enough to understand how dumb you are.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:
The rest of the data says that a random white person is about twice as likely to be attacked by another white person than by a black person.
And what is your takeaway from this?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:47 pm to Korkstand
quote:
The math works out the same whether 100%, 10%, or 1% of people are criminals. It was an example that explains why multiplying to adjust for population ratio is a lie. Do you understand?
this retard motherfricker is trying to lecture people on how to interpret statistical data
Posted on 6/2/20 at 8:48 pm to Korkstand
You’ve crossed over into obfuscation.
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