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Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:07 pm to WildManGoose
quote:That's where you've fricked up, and that's what the manipulative data in the OP counts on.
16% of the population are committing 90% of the attacks.
The actual data shows that 13% of the population is committing 23% of the violent crime. Out of proportion, sure, but not 45X out.
quote:But it is true. Whites commit 2X as much violent crime as blacks. Refer to the actual data, page 3. Yes, whites commit less violent crime per their share than blacks, but nowhere near 45X less.
You can't just say whites get attacked more because they're the majority, because obviously the opposite, that whites attack more because they're the majority, is not true.
quote:Data that needs to be normalized should be normalized. Data that does not need to be normalized becomes useless when "normalized". If you want to adjust the data in some way, you must do it correctly.
You don't think that needs to be normalized to put into perspective?
quote:It's only useless if you don't understand it. Which you clearly didn't.
The example you gave where everyone was a criminal and attacks were random was useless.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:08 pm to Flats
quote:It didn't require any massaging. And yes, the truth is the best I can do.
And that’s the absolute BEST you can do, after massaging the data until it had a happy ending.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:11 pm to Korkstand
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the truth is the best I can do.
Let us know when you find it...
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:11 pm to Korkstand
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550,000:60,000 is roughly 9:1, and 61% to 13% is roughly 9:2
Bruh, are you a dumbass? 550,000 is BLACK on WHITE attacks. You're comparing that to white population. It should be compared to BLACK population. There are LESS black people committing MORE attacks. 550,000:60:000 is 9:1. 16%:84% is 1:5.25. 550,000/1 = 550,000. 60,000/5.25 is 11,428. 550,000/11,428 = 48.
And why would you use 61% and 13% when you're just considering BoW and WoB? You have to adjust the population. Your numbers are skewed by 26% of the population to begin with.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:12 pm to prplngldtigr
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It’s amazing how a movement can have so many supporters absent of any real measurement of truth.
Welcome to the entire Democratic platform.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:13 pm to David_DJS
quote:Roughly 3.1 in 1,000 per year. And the likelihood that a white commits a violent crime against a black is roughly 2.8 in 1,000 per year. Per the data, page 4.
Kork -
There are 38 million blacks, and from this population 547,948 violent crimes are perpetrated on whites.
What's the likelihood that a black commits a violent crime against a white?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:13 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:Let me know when you understand it
Let us know when you find it...
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:16 pm to Korkstand
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Roughly 3.1 in 1,000 per year. And the likelihood that a white commits a violent crime against a black is roughly 2.8 in 1,000 per year. Per the data, page 4.
So you're not arguing that the OP and others are doing their statistics wrong, you're saying the raw data they're using is wrong?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:17 pm to Korkstand
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Let me know when you understand it
Lol, it’s painfully (for you) obvious you don’t.
Keep trying though
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:17 pm to Caplewood
These threads are little more than Galileo Galilei explaining heliocentrism to the Church.
It doesn't matter how correct it is, so many absolutely do not want to hear it.
It doesn't matter how correct it is, so many absolutely do not want to hear it.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:22 pm to David_DJS
quote:I do think the WoB stats are understated by a bit (I think it's closer to 90k), but that's not the issue. The problem is that multiplying those numbers per demographics is meaningless. The numbers are already a reflection of the demographics of potential victims, so to adjust for demographics again is just squaring the number for no reason. It is just plain incorrect and meaningless.
So you're not arguing that the OP and others are doing their statistics wrong, you're saying the raw data they're using is wrong?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:23 pm to Korkstand
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The actual data shows that 13% of the population is committing 23% of the violent crime. Out of proportion, sure, but not 45X out.
The statement is "Blacks commit X times more attacks on whites than whites commit on blacks". The statement itself is restricting the data to black and white population so you can't just go and add extra because you want to. Why did you point out that ONE statement then proceed to pull data on ALL violent crime?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:28 pm to WildManGoose
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The statement is "Blacks commit X times more attacks on whites than whites commit on blacks". The statement itself is restricting the data to black and white population so you can't just go and add extra because you want to. Why did you point out that ONE statement then proceed to pull data on ALL violent crime?
Exactly. He has figured out he's wrong about this, so he's bobbing and weaving like Ali hoping nobody notices.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:31 pm to David_DJS
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Exactly. He has figured out he's wrong about this, so he's bobbing and weaving like Ali hoping nobody notices.
Bingo
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:32 pm to WildManGoose
quote:Because if you want to normalize by population, that's what you have to do. If you restrict to a subset and then normalize, you have to restrict to the same subset. You are looking at the crime that whites commit against 13% of the population, and comparing that to crime that blacks commit against 61% of the population.
The statement is "Blacks commit X times more attacks on whites than whites commit on blacks". The statement itself is restricting the data to black and white population so you can't just go and add extra because you want to. Why did you point out that ONE statement then proceed to pull data on ALL violent crime?
In other words, you are looking at 13% of white crime and 61% of black crime, and then multiplying black crime by 5 times again.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:33 pm to David_DJS
quote:No. I'm trying to figure out how to explain basic math to morons.
Exactly. He has figured out he's wrong about this, so he's bobbing and weaving like Ali hoping nobody notices.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:40 pm to Korkstand
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No. I'm trying to figure out how to explain basic math to morons
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:41 pm to Korkstand
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No. I'm trying to figure out how to explain basic math to morons.
Okay, genius, tell us how this math is wrong -
59,778 violent crimes perpetrated on blacks by 197 million whites = 30 whites out of every 100,000 whites violently victimize a black
547,948 violent crimes perpetrated on whites by 38 million blacks = 1441 out of every 100,000 blacks violently victimize a white
1441/30 = 47.5
So blacks are 47.5 times more likely to violently victimize whites than whites are likely to violently victimize blacks
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:50 pm to Caplewood
I bookmarked this thread so hard it could go on pornhub.
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