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re: Rarely post but watch this Putin speech

Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:59 pm to
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
8035 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:59 pm to
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Our press maybe be partisan but they are free to criticize the current regime nightly for hours and hours if they want.


This is false. Our press and the government are one and the same. WAPO "journalist" report what the CIA tells them. NYT reports what the FBI tells them. Criticize them and you end up like Sharyl Atkinson.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138519 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:00 pm to
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Which protestor that never entered the Capitol was held without due process
About 300. LINK
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138519 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:01 pm to
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Criticize them and you end up like Sharyl Atkinson.
... or her witness.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9314 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:09 pm to
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Better than it was in Ukraine's Eastern Oblasts. Why do you ask?


Sincerely curious. I dont just buy MSM portrayal. I've worked with both Russians and Ukrainians over the years and listened to several Russian streamers regularly..some that left.. others still there. Ive heard that over the years that corruption in how the tax system works has really screwed a lot of places outside of those two cities from having funds they once had to fund their municipalities and development.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:19 pm to
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Ive heard that over the years that corruption in how the tax system works has really screwed a lot of places outside of those two cities from having funds they once had to fund their municipalities and development.
We have a poster who occasions here, and who has a great deal of experience over there. He has very few kind words for Putin and the Russian financial system.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9314 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:20 pm to
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WAPO "journalist" report what the CIA tells them. NYT reports what the FBI tells the


The press is more than those two entities. Biden isnt shutting down OANN or War Room or the thousands of other outlets that cater to their opposition.

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Criticize them and you end up like Sharyl Atkinson


better off than Vladimir Kara-Murza, Jr or Marina Ovsyannikova

Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:28 pm to
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When Russia was a communist nation you could also walk around Leningrad as you did. Do you still call that freedom?


Russia is one of those unique places in the world - and may be the only one - where over certain years in its history, although the streets might've been safe during times of peace where people could stroll where they wanted, there were places where citizens were more vulnerable and in physical jeopardy staying within the 4 walls of their own living quarters.

If one goes by what went on in the Russian House on the Embankment.

At one time moderately priced, or free, living quarters available to the Party's hierarchy that Stalin - the ultimate Bolshevik - had constructed to keep his people close to him.

Those Party apparatchiks were "free," if freedom is translated to mean living under constant electronic surveillance, and knowing that each apartment there had a discreet entryway to the elevators that were used solely by the NKVD.

If any resident were decided to be an enemy of the state, the elevator door to their apartment would open with NKVD entering the apartment to lead the inhabitants out through the apartment's front door, and affixing a paraffin and wire seal on the door which would let them know if anyone tried to enter that apartment.

Generally, residents who were taken from the House on the Embankment were never seen again by their neighbors. Even entire families sometimes disappeared.

There were apartments in which no one was allowed.

Now what's the connection for all of this?

Not saying that there are any comparisons, but still what a great promotion and confidence builder for the standing invitation by Putin to conservatives to come live in Russia in the new digs he's planning to have constructed for them only.

He has described it as "a new village for American and Canadian conservatives," although he might have some difficulty finding legitimate conservatives in Canada.

Nothing specific yet about the level of surveillance those future "residents" of the new Russian village might be under, but it just seems that those who sign on and who like attention, will never, ever feel alone and ignored again.

But seriously, what legitimate conservative could possibly resist such an offer/opportunity.

Plus, it would be the ultimate litmus test for those purporting to be conservatives as to just how much faith and trust they really have in the little Bolshevik.

But then, according to the Bolshevik Code, maybe this custom-built village for American and Canadian "conservatives" is just another of his empty connivances.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 2:32 pm
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
8035 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:54 pm to
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better off than Vladimir Kara-Murza, Jr or Marina Ovsyannikova


But we have "freedom" of the press and it shouldn't happen at all right?
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9314 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:28 pm to
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FBI/CIA convinced our media it was Russian disinfo. For outlets which realized the FBI/CIA was full of shite, the information structure to carry contradictory thier information was undercut, severely limiting reach of their message.

So how much does it actually matter that the press is "free" to say something, if Americans are prevented from hearing/seeing/reading it?

I'd argue there is barely any difference at all.


If this was a permanent feature of how social media and all media functions ..ie depending on government stooges to vet all information for public consumption than I would agree. Its not. We have the power ,(well Musk did anyway) to fully expose what occurred and make changes or seek out other news outlets. Nothing in our system is perfect but we have the ability to fight and make changes.
Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2010
6557 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:31 pm to
Putin wants to deflect the blood of
over 100k people to others hands.
His appeasers on here are the saddest lot...since 1939.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138519 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 3:36 pm to
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we have the ability to fight and make changes.
We have the ability to fight. Our ability to make changes is more and more questionable.

The latter is what 91 criminal counts, a $300 million civil suit, and multi-state ballot removal proceedings targeting Trump are about.

If he loses, so does your premise.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:09 am to
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It should be noted here that the US is one of the most heavily propagandized countries that ever existed.

We are primarily gun runners (endless wars) and drug dealers (Pharma poisons).

Yet many of us believe things like gulf of Tonkin, WMDs, exporting democracy, safe and effective, brain chemical imbalances, etc.

The one prominent place where you can find truth right now is X, and look at the campaign to bring it and Elon down.

I don’t care to argue about Putin, but if you think we are controlled by the good guys, you’re lost.



I agree 100%
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55088 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:37 am to
I had no idea how easy it was for a pirogue to capsize into freezing south La. marsh waters. And all of my guns were in the pirogue!!
Posted by TravelingTiger55
Tiger Stadium
Member since Jul 2007
1390 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:34 am to
Westbank111 is 1000% spot on with his post. NATO and US have been slowly inching their way toward Russian border for past 20-30 years, despite agreeing NOT to in agreement between Reagan and Gorbachev. Russia will NOT lose in Ukraine and will NOT allow NATO and US to overtake them. They WILL use nukes if forced to.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:15 pm to
"Western Elites" have to have an enemy so seek it - as the US State Dept did in 2014 with the coup in Ukraine

mm hmm
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5899 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:31 pm to
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Putin wants to deflect the blood of
over 100k people to others hands.
His appeasers on here are the saddest lot...since 1939.



The blood of over 100K people fall on the hands of our government. They caused this and should be held accountable.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23598 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 12:50 pm to
When the Ukraine mess started I searched and listened to several of Putin's explanations and did research from there. It showed clearly how we had mishandled Russia after the USSR fell and continued to do so for years. Mostly with using NATO to press further and further on their borders.
We have continued to do a horrible job of providing responsible international leadership since Dems have been in control.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:00 pm to
"They" or somebody, also lied to the Ukraine that it would be just fine for them to get rid of their nuclear hardware, which probably contributed more to this current disaster than anything else.

Nothing lights a fire under a Mongol/Bolshevik and gets them salivating like the appearance of weakness.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:26 pm to
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We have a poster who occasions here, and who has a great deal of experience over there. He has very few kind words for Putin and the Russian financial system.
but he us a lowbrow idiot who refuses to read or acknowledge when he is a pig headed liar about his positions..

So theres that
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 11/20/23 at 1:28 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 3:51 pm
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