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re: Pro 2nd Amendment guys - would you take this deal?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:17 pm to Centinel
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:17 pm to Centinel
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Of course I'm fine with this. But along with this if you're a druggie, no taxpayer funded healthcare. Shoot up all you want. But when you OD, you're dead.
And this is where the experiment runs off the rails. I think your policy is good on paper but I don’t think it would work.
Essentially you would create two distinct classes in society and these people would feel left behind, have no purpose, and have nothing to lose. They would wreak havoc on civilized society and there is no way of getting around some costs (police, jails, crime).
I like the idea but we need a unified society
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:18 pm to Powerman
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Yeah
Why not?
So now the goalposts have moved and dealing is o.k.?
How about "cooked in a bathtub" drugs, that are known to be lethal? That o.k. too?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:21 pm to WaWaWeeWa
It sounds very philosophical but I think too many people have no purpose in life, no motivation, and no opportunities. And our school and welfare system is partially to blame for this
Welfare needs to be drastically reduced, but along with that there needs to be a massive increase in vocational schools and training for people that weren’t meant for our idea of “school”. These people need a skill, a motivation, and a purpose.
If you do those things than more personal responsibility would probably work. But not in today’s world of government handouts
Welfare needs to be drastically reduced, but along with that there needs to be a massive increase in vocational schools and training for people that weren’t meant for our idea of “school”. These people need a skill, a motivation, and a purpose.
If you do those things than more personal responsibility would probably work. But not in today’s world of government handouts
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:39 pm to Powerman
So basically adopt the Libertarian party platform?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:43 pm to Dale51
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How about "cooked in a bathtub" drugs, that are known to be lethal? That o.k. too?
I'm sure that would probably violate some other ordinance
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So now the goalposts have moved and dealing is o.k.?
Dealing wouldn't be that big of a deal without it being illegal
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:48 pm to Powerman
I would support OP's hypothetical if it also meant I was given the right to shoot every PoS in the face that's cooking meth in their bathtub and giving it to our kids to establish future business. Or when we see that twacked out motherfricker in line at the gas station chewing on their ear and picking their face, eyes dilated enough to be mistaken for the Death Star, trying to buy people groceries for 30% cash trade on their SNAP card- can we take that into our own hands too?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:52 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Or when we see that twacked out motherfricker in line at the gas station chewing on their ear and picking their face, eyes dilated enough to be mistaken for the Death Star, trying to buy people groceries for 30% cash trade on their SNAP card- can we take that into our own hands too?
Sounds like you need to move to a different part of town.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:54 pm to Powerman
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Sounds like you need to move to a different part of town.
He lives in Oklahoma - he'd have to leave the entire state.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:55 pm to skrayper
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He lives in Oklahoma - he'd have to leave the entire state.
I've only passed through there. That bad?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:56 pm to Powerman
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Do you take this deal?
"All drugs" is pretty radical baw.
Give me back machineguns/SBRs, etc., and maybe we'll talk - that's the equivalent radical change quid pro quo. Keeping our guns is the status quo, now. Legalizing "errything" is not quite the step we should take at this moment.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:57 pm to Powerman
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I've only passed through there. That bad?
When God made the US, He made beautiful beaches, gorgeous mountains, lush forests and amazing landscapes.
Then He dropped Oklahoma in the middle of it all, away from all that distracting crap.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 1:43 pm to Powerman
Guns should not be criminalized.
Drugs should not be criminalized.
We already have laws on the books for people who harm others while involving either.
Drugs should not be criminalized.
We already have laws on the books for people who harm others while involving either.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 1:47 pm to Ace Midnight
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"All drugs" is pretty radical baw.
Which drugs would you like to see remain criminal to possess for personal use?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 1:54 pm to Powerman
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I'm sure that would probably violate some other ordinance
How would that work? With drugs being illegal they are seized along with other drugs. With drugs being legal, how is one identified vs the other?
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Dealing wouldn't be that big of a deal without it being illegal
Present day criminal dealers might make that not so true. What is the basis for a legal drug to be sanctioned based on amount? Could I drive around with 10 kilos of heroin on my backseat and sell out of my car? Not a problem?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 1:59 pm to Powerman
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Which drugs would you like to see remain criminal to possess for personal use?
You've changed your mind on the selling drugs part?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 2:04 pm to Powerman
I have ZERO problem with drug decriminalization.
As long as you are sterilized and can not reproduce.
I don't want to pay one fricking penny for your kids because you choose to be a dope head.
As long as you are sterilized and can not reproduce.
I don't want to pay one fricking penny for your kids because you choose to be a dope head.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 2:05 pm to Powerman
quote:because when you make everything legal people will get blase about it just like they are with alcohol. I do think this should already be in place, but I think it should be included in any bill to legalize other drugs
Then in your opinion shouldn't this already be the letter of the law on the books?
What does legalization have to do with this aspect?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 2:09 pm to Dale51
I've noticed that very few people who parrot the "lets legalize/decrminalize ALL drugs" and "end the war on drugs" lines have given much thought to the actual logistics of HOW exactly any of that would be done.
Sure, the "war on drugs" generally looks quite shitty. Walk though me some of the logistics of how you actually "end" that. Heroin going to be readily available on any street corner for anyone who wants to give it a go, and there's no consequence for anyone involved in that transaction except 'well, if you're smart, you know you will likely get hooked'? Someone going to insure the seller here? Do they get a liability waiver? How is "the state" not involved at any point anymore?
Once you start thinking about it for more than 20 seconds it all starts to unravel and you're back to basically where we are now, it seems.
Sure, the "war on drugs" generally looks quite shitty. Walk though me some of the logistics of how you actually "end" that. Heroin going to be readily available on any street corner for anyone who wants to give it a go, and there's no consequence for anyone involved in that transaction except 'well, if you're smart, you know you will likely get hooked'? Someone going to insure the seller here? Do they get a liability waiver? How is "the state" not involved at any point anymore?
Once you start thinking about it for more than 20 seconds it all starts to unravel and you're back to basically where we are now, it seems.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 2:10 pm to Powerman
Kill yourself dog. Just remember when you run out of cash for those mind altering drugs you're campaigning for, the long gus is still there and full to the magazine with lead. As long as that's clear you got a deal.
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