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Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:41 am to Powerman
quote:the only way this works is if you change the laws do that anything done under the influence of a substance automatically has intent established, so that for instance if you are a drunk driver and you kill someone, it's not vehicular manslaughter, it's first degree murder. Apply that across the board
The war on drugs ends and all drugs are decriminalized.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:41 am to Powerman
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Do you have any evidence to back that up or is it just a hunch?
Just a hunch
Most normal people right now don't think about using hard drugs because it can ruin them if they get arrested. Remove that and you more than likely have more people trying harder drugs. Some can handle it some can't.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:42 am to Powerman
I would give them bumpstocks for national reciprocity and passing HPA
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:42 am to Powerman
That's not a compromise. 
frick yes I'll take it.
frick yes I'll take it.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:47 am to MrLarson
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Most normal people right now don't think about using hard drugs because it can ruin them if they get arrested. Remove that and you more than likely have more people trying harder drugs. Some can handle it some can't.
You think that's the only reason people don't do it?
Maybe some people don't do it because they know it can ruin them WITHOUT being arrested.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:48 am to narddogg81
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the only way this works is if you change the laws do that anything done under the influence of a substance automatically has intent established, so that for instance if you are a drunk driver and you kill someone, it's not vehicular manslaughter, it's first degree murder.
Then in your opinion shouldn't this already be the letter of the law on the books?
What does legalization have to do with this aspect?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:52 am to Powerman
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It's more of a side discussion about what is better for society
A basic truism in all of economics is that you get more of basically anything where the negative outcomes are eliminated.
Do I believe you'd have a drug explosion? Nah.
But, I mean, obviously, you'll be getting more people who screw up with drugs when penalties are eliminated. I'm fine with that reality because I think you should be free to to stupid shite even if it harms you.
BUT...........if you SUBSIDIZE the negative results, then you will get EVEN MORE of it. That's just basic economics and common sense. It doesn't just apply to drugs. It applies to literally anything.
And, at some point, funding it can end up just creating new problems no less onerous than the ones you thought you solved.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:59 am to ShortyRob
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BUT...........if you SUBSIDIZE the negative results, then you will get EVEN MORE of it.
In most cases yes
In this case there is no evidence to suggest that
People already have a personal incentive not to do drugs
Providing subsidized rehab isn't an incentive to do drugs when not doing drugs is still the more logical alternative
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:08 am to Powerman
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In most cases yes
In all cases.
Pass a law tomorrow saying the Federal govt will give anyone who sells rattlesnakes to children under the age of 12 $100 and I'll show you a nation that has a few assholes selling rattlesnakes to children under 12.
quote:Well, I mean. That's just not true. Economics works........always.
In this case there is no evidence to suggest that
quote:To be sure. But, it's not the only incentive.
People already have a personal incentive not to do drugs
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Providing subsidized rehab isn't an incentive to do drugs when not doing drugs is still the more logical alternative
If logical alternatives were the only thing driving abuse, you wouldn't have any in the first place.
I'm kinda stunned you aren't seeing this.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:09 am to Powerman
Agreed, but the Mexican drug cartel packing street drugs in automobiles type of drug smuggling needs to end. Heroin and opioids should be for medical conditions only. You have to define drug use. Legalize pot and I am all in.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:18 am to Powerman
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Maybe some people don't do it because they know it can ruin them WITHOUT being arrested.
True
But you are underestimating the average college kid that now has the barrier of consequences removed. I'm fine for legalizing most drugs but I think it is being short sighted to think you can just rip the bandaid off and tell everyone to go at it.
I think we should legalize pot first nationally and see how we handle that. Then take another baby step and see how that goes.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:22 am to Powerman
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:29 am to Powerman
quote:That is a win-win for me.
Everyone backs off of gun control with the following trade off: The war on drugs ends and all drugs are decriminalized.
You get to keep your current gun rights with no more restrictions so long as drug use is no longer a criminal activity.
Hell, the end of the War on Drugs would lead to a cultural renaissance in the black community.
All those fathers back in the home. . .
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:56 am to Powerman
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It means if you want to snort a line of coke or whatever your drug of choice is you won't be put in jail over it.
How about if you want to sell a couple ounces so you can sniff for free? That o.k. too?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:01 pm to Powerman
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Everyone backs off of gun control with the following trade off: The war on drugs ends and all drugs are decriminalized.
The cucks who want the drug war to continue aren't really pro 2A in the first place. They are pro drug war and anti 2A and always have been.
Most of the NRA membership and all of its leadership fall into that category.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:03 pm to Powerman
I'm for some gun control but I'd happily drop it for the war on drugs to end. The war on drugs is the one of the dumbest things to ever occur in this country.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:07 pm to Powerman
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I'm with you on that
But the war on drugs is an actual problem
I think the WOD has become a sort on vague specter. How it is executed is the problem imo. Lawyers and liberal judges who let gang members or repeat offender off time after time is at the root of the failure of curbing dangerous drugs. Just my opinion.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:13 pm to Dale51
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How about if you want to sell a couple ounces so you can sniff for free? That o.k. too?
Yeah
Why not?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 12:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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... or engage in polyamory?
I had to look that up.
Ewwwwww
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