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re: President TRUMP has raised serious questions about Joe Biden.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:25 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:25 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Well, I mean. This is demonstrably a lie unless you lived in the Ukraine or something cause it damned sure wasn't getting covered.
I was making an argument based upon what I remembered from events at the time
quote:That's after the fact.
(world governments supporting Shokin’s removal) and supported by a direct statement from our former ambassador to Ukraine.
YOU were claiming it was known BEFORE. Don't sleight of hand me bitch.
quote:When unsure, and an argument seems to defy common sense, it's a good idea to check.
No, I did not do any additional research. As I said, I was a bit surprised that the issue was not addressed in the media to a greater degree prior to Shokin’s ouster.
And come on man. It defies common sense to think Biden being DIRECTLY involved was some fricking happenstance.
quote:Yes. He was almost certainly aware of why Joe was doing what he was doing.
You think that is definitive. I think that governments work behind the scenes all the time. And I think that our former ambassador to Ukraine is probably in a better position to have had personal knowledge of these matters than you or I.
I'll give ya that!
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:26 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
So. I did it. I searched Ukraine Shokin
You could be the best journalist in these United States of America
Where you at YellleaderHank?
It blows me away (not in the same way that you blow your fellow yell leaders) how these liberal mother frickers post their make believe made up bullshite and then evaporate like a fart in church when someone debunks their fricking lies
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:26 pm to Powerman
quote:These people think that they “win” threads because the get a ton of upvotes from people who would agree with Trump if he asserted that the moon is REALLY made of cheese.
This is a conservatively dominated board. You go along with the flow because you know you can just team up with a bunch of other losers that will shout down anything you disagree with.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:27 pm to Auburn1968
quote:This is a two way street, just like the Biden Ukraine deal.
Trump's new ad on this topic.
Trump's attacks on Biden will inevitably bring up the fact that a Chinese development company was given a $500 million loan by a Chinese government entity to build an amusement park across the street from a Trump hotel and residential property in Indonesia TWO DAYS after Trump removed the sanctions against ZTE, a Chinese telecom company.
(You should remember that. Trump said he was removing the ZTE sanctions because "TOO MANY JOBS WERE BEING LOST IN CHINA".)
In that same time frame, Ivanka was granted seven new trademarks from the Chinese government for various of her businesses.
But, of course, both of those things were purely coincidental to the ZTE sanctions. And Trump has turned his family business over to his sons, so he couldn't have known anything about the amusement park deal when he removed the ZTE sanctions.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:29 pm to Powerman
quote:Well yes. But, that really doesn't explain it.
This is a conservatively dominated board
quote:I argue what I agree with. Would you expect me to do otherwise? IDGAF what the others in this board do one way or the other. If I did, I probably wouldn't tell them all I'm an atheist against the death penalty and make fun of them when they lose their minds over net neutrality.
You go along with the flow because you know you can just team up with a bunch of other losers that will shout down anything you disagree with.
My arguments are MINE.
quote:
It was monumentally stupid for you to not be immediately skeptical of such an absurd claim. And you kept trying to justify your stupidity.
I should have been skeptical.
Your "monumentally stupid" schtick is silly. It fooled the people who published it. You're not that special. You just saw a thread you could run in to and basically start yelling hahahahahahahahahaha
Excellent work.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:The day you see me claim, or even IMPLY that the fact others in the thread agree with me makes my argument right, you link it in this thread 100 times.
These people think that they “win” threads because the get a ton of upvotes
Good luck.
Everyone in here is anonymous. There's a half decent chance that some of the people who agree with either one of us are 15 year olds, high school dropouts, or Starbuck's workers.
There are a few who have been on here enough that I find their opinions valuable. Most? Nah. Especially anyone fairly new.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:33 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
It fooled the people who published it.
Right. Some random nobodies that work for yahoo lifestyle. The same place where you go to read horoscopes and celebrity gossip.
You were acting as if it fooled some highly competent people.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:33 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Immediately after he was removed, they seem to have said that they had wanted that result. You think they were lying. I see no reason to believe that they were lying. It is really that simple.quote:That's after the fact. YOU were claiming it was known BEFORE. Don't sleight of hand me bitch
(world governments supporting Shokin’s removal) and supported by a direct statement from our former ambassador to Ukraine.
quote:You think Obama put Biden in charge of relations with Ukraine just so Biden could apply pressure to protect Baby Biden’s paycheck. And you say that MY analysis defies common sense. OK.
When unsure, and an argument seems to defy common sense, it's a good idea to check.
And come on man. It defies common sense to think Biden being DIRECTLY involved was some fricking happenstance.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:35 pm to AggieHank86
I don't give a shite why obama put biden in charge regarding Ukraine.
Biden did act to protect his son and he bragged about it.
Analyze that.
Biden did act to protect his son and he bragged about it.
Analyze that.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:35 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
This is old news. The MSM just didn't consider important enough to follow up.
Politifact May 2, 2019
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Politifact May 2, 2019
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 12:44 pm to gthog61
quote:This thread basically boils down to one side asserting that Ukraine sacked Shokin solely because Biden pressured the Ukrainian legislature to do so in order to protect Baby Biden and the other side arguing that Shokin was corrupt and that the world community sought his ouster REGARDLESS of Baby Biden ... one way or the other.
There’s a strong case that Hunter Biden’s position with the company had nothing to do with Biden’s position on Shokin’s ouster. That’s because Western leaders and institutions were largely united in seeking Shokin’s removal, arguing that he was not pursuing corruption cases aggressively.
For instance, in early 2016, International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde said that "it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue" unless corruption prosecutions accelerate.
Steven Pifer is a career foreign service officer who was ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton and deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs under President George W. Bush. Pifer told PolitiFact that "virtually everyone" he knew in the U.S. government and virtually all non-governmental experts on Ukraine "felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired. As far as I can recall, they all concurred with the vice president telling Poroshenko that the U.S. government would not extend the $1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine until Shokin was removed from office."
Anders Åslund, a resident senior fellow at Atlantic Council, a think tank in Washington, agreed that criticism of Shokin was widespread
Shokin "failed to prosecute anybody of significance, protecting both the Yanukovych circle and the Poroshenko group," Åslund said.
Daria Kaleniuk, the executive director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center, a leading anti-corruption voice in Ukraine, tweeted earlier this month that Shokin’s firing was not about protecting the company Hunter Biden was working for. The firing "was obviously not because the prosecutor wanted to investigate Burisma & Zlochevsky," she wrote.
EVERYONE agrees that Joe Biden had a conflict of interest and should have recused himself with regard to Shokin. The rest is just quibbling.
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:00 pm to AggieHank86
How many threatened to with hold big bucks?
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:00 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
This thread basically boils down to one side asserting that Ukraine sacked Shokin solely because Biden pressured the Ukrainian legislature to do so in order to protect Baby Biden and the other side arguing that Shokin was corrupt and that the world community sought his ouster REGARDLESS of Baby Biden ... one way or the other.
It actually doesn't matter why Biden did it, the conflict exists AND Biden bragged about extorting them.
That is the irrefutable fact of the matter.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:07 pm to LSUTigersVCURams
With all respect to the Don I already had a book full of questions about Joe Biden.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:13 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
And that point is irrelevant to the question of whether the entire West thought Shokin needed to be removed. See earlier post.
I don’t know if this is 100% accurate but, even if it is, did the entire Western world also think that investigation should not be pursued by his replacement?
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:17 pm to More&Les
quote:
It actually doesn't matter why Biden did it, the conflict exists AND Biden bragged about extorting them.
Exactly. Biden’s own mouth convicts him. We don’t need a second party validation.
Posted on 9/22/19 at 1:30 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Immediately after he was removed, they seem to have said that they had wanted that result. You think they were lying. I see no reason to believe that they were lying. It is really that simple
No one with an IQ above 50 is that gullible
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:05 pm to ShortyRob
quote:And I find it difficult to accept that anyone could be so gullible as to believe in the existence of a worldwide conspiracy to save Baby Biden’s job and that absolutely no one has broken silence regarding the existence of that alleged conspiracyquote:No one with an IQ above 50 is that gullible
Immediately after he was removed, they seem to have said that they had wanted that result. You think they were lying. I see no reason to believe that they were lying. It is really that simple
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:11 pm to AggieHank86
I think that that was Biden’s reason, whether others had different views is of no import.
Whether he did it for his son or not, he screwed himself by getting involved.
I do think he got involved for his son though.
Whether he did it for his son or not, he screwed himself by getting involved.
I do think he got involved for his son though.
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/22/19 at 2:15 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Knowing how dishonest you are, I wondered why you cut off your time search on November 1, 2015 when he was not finally ousted until February 2016.
This Google search runs up to Nov 2015. Dude was ousted in Feb.Look at all those nations calling for his ouster!!!
Imagine my (lack of) surprise to find an article from November 4, 2015 from the Atlantic Council detailing the foreign and internal objection to Shokin's continuing as Prosecutor General of Ukraine. LINK
quote:
On October 31, protesters parked ninety-three cars outside the private residence of Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to demand that he fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.
quote:
In a recent Brussels meeting with the President of the European Commission, Poroshenko received a promise that in exchange for implementing graft-fighting measures, the European Union would eliminate visa requirements for Ukraine’s 46 million citizens. In return, Ukraine would implement a series of anti-corruption reforms. At the top of the list is the nomination of a new independent prosecutor tasked with bringing down corrupt government officials.
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Ukrainians stand to pay a high price for Poroshenko’s focus on self-preservation. According to Kaleniuk, Poroshenko’s support for Shokin not only jeopardizes visa-free access to the EU, but risks costing Ukraine $4.4 billion in desperately needed financial assistance—$1.2 billion from the EU and $3.2 billion from the International Monetary Fund.
Look at all those nations calling for his ouster!!! ShortyRob, caught lying again.
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