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re: Post Mortem: Who Is To Blame For DeSantis’ Horrible Showing In Iowa?

Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:40 pm to
Someones being emotional
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20676 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:46 pm to
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Someones being emotional

Pointing out that a Stacey Abrams supporter shouldn’t be casting aspersions on someone else’s intelligence is being emotional?

You live in a weird little world.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
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Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:50 pm to
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Gets his arse absolutely handed to him yet we’re supposed to give credibility to people like Tigerjumpingoffthemountain about “what went wrong”


I didn’t comment on what went wrong. I commented on the stupidity of the average voter and the fragile emotional state shared by most of MAGA.

Fantasizing about random people on the internet committing suicide because they were mean to Trump is a great way to prove my point.

You people are deranged beyond help.
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 4:51 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78885 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 4:54 pm to
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DeSantis never really struck back


Why is this lie repeated?

He just sucks at it.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16502 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:01 pm to
RDS was a good candidate for the wrong time.

Trump’s hardcore support is Trump’s hardcore support. No advertising or door knocking is going to sway that emotional attachment. Desantis’s hardcore supporters and donors either could not, or would not see the reality of that situation.

I think Donors / GOPe initially talked RDS into it and he got bad advice that there were enough malleable Trump supporters that could be convinced.

RDS’s ceiling is was and always will be that 30 percent of Trump supporters. Hell, there was some leaked strategy session about it. Vivek was the one who really beat him in Iowa. RDS got 20 percent with Vivek getting 10.

I probably fell into that 30. I like Trump. I think he was a good president, but I could have maybe been persuaded. But I’m pretty much Trump or bust now. I wish RDS would throw his support behind Trump, not bc he was disloyal- but because it is ABSOLUTELY imperative that Haley does not get the nomination.

Haley has the GOPe and democrats. NOBODY interested in Haley as a candidate (even if these assholes do exist), are choosing btwn her and Ron.

As the campaign in Iowa continued RDS became frustrated with his strategy, and his ego (all politicians are egomaniacs- ALL of them). He got so frustrated he began blaming Trump supporters for preferring Trump for X factor reasons, 70 percent of which he KNEW he would never move from the jump. So, as opposed to distinguishing himself from Trump, or courting Trump supporters, he just insulted them. He could have followed a Vivek strategy BUT Trump STILL would have put 30 points on him. 70 percent of R voters just prefer Trump. And they don’t think Trump got screwed in 2020- they believe THEY got screwed, ignored and otherwise belittled in 2020. It’s Trump 2024 bc frick you that’s why.

I wish, for RDS’s sake that he had simply continued kicking arse in Florida, and waited. ‘‘Twas not meant to be for him this time. I don’t blame Desantis. I blame Pushaw and GOPe for talking him into it in the first place. It was ALWAYS a suicide mission.
Posted by Pecker
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Member since May 2015
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:05 pm to
It sounds crazy but it almost seems that Trump's base is incredibly loyal and believes that the 2020 election was stolen from him.

There was no way for anyone including Desantis to have known this prior to him declaring his candidacy, so his poor performance is quite shocking.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:41 pm to
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Trump




So DeSantis’ flaccid campaign was Trump’s fault?! I thought blame-shifting was the purview of the Cultists?



So why wasn’t it known by DeSantis’ campaign that this was going to be the case? And why didn’t they have a viable strategy to counter this messaging?
This post was edited on 1/16/24 at 5:43 pm
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
13093 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:43 pm to
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Desantis has done less with more than any political candidate ever.


He just isn't a good campaigner. At all.

I think he'd be a pretty good president - not as good as Trump, good anyway. But he can't stop falling over himself on the trail.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:44 pm to
Bingo
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
13093 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:45 pm to
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Nope, that dubious honor will forever belong to JEB!


This isn't the case, though. By the end of GWB's terms the Bush name wasn't carrying much weight and he never had the kind of approval DeSantis had prior to announcing.
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
15401 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:45 pm to
The right wing media deep sixed him.

They are so far up Trump's arse they can taste what he had for breakfast.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
137969 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 5:48 pm to
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Who Is To Blame For DeSantis’ Horrible Showing In Iowa?


Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
149420 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:02 pm to
Old man tweeting about cameltoes.

MAGA

Vile human being


Seals clap
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
21292 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:03 pm to
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I actually think Desantis did very good in Iowa.



By what measure? Trump’s 51% victory was an unprecedented landslide, shattering the previous record of 37.5% set by Bob Dole in 1988.

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
21292 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:06 pm to
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It sounds crazy but it almost seems that Trump's base is incredibly loyal and believes that the 2020 election was stolen from him.

There was no way for anyone including Desantis to have known this prior to him declaring his candidacy, so his poor performance is quite shocking.





You have more insight than whoever was apparently directing DeSantis’ ground game.

You should apply to be a DeSantis campaign strategist —after the bloodletting we saw in Iowa, they might in need of some new blood.

Posted by LuckyTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
49519 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:12 pm to
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When DeSantis officially announced, I repeatedly asked what exactly Christina Pushaw — a John McCain acolyte and a neocon political hack — brought to Team DeSantis?


I voiced the same thoughts along with issues regarding his other campaign advisers. When that tape of the campaign strategy meeting leaked, I discussed in a thread that I thought they were off target. I was savaged by DeSantis supporters for questioning the campaign and assured I didn’t know what I was saying. Oh well.

It was an absolute horrible campaign and I think a troubling problem was confirmed with DeSantis: he is a poor campaigner. He’s a great governor, but he’s a poor campaigner.

He barely slipped by that black gay druggie. He won a landslide reelection because of his record, not his campaign skills. And on the national stage he has to sell himself; just being a good governor in FL doesn’t transfer to a national success. It’s a whole new game, from scratch.

Bottom line is I think DeSantis is a good executive and a bad political campaigner. I think his future, if there is one, is as head of an important department in a future Republican administration (if there is one).
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Member since May 2020
21292 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:28 pm to
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Christina Pushaw


Putting aside her questionable political past as a Deep State apparatchik of some degree, I find something about that woman to be very unsettling.

Posted by boomtown143
Member since May 2019
9407 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:29 pm to
Himself.

His campaign has been horrible from the start.

HORRIBLE
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51626 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:40 pm to
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Trump's looked like a clown his whole frickin' adult life.


Even before he ever ran for President you’d recognize him if you ever saw a picture of him though
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
21292 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 6:41 pm to
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I wish, for RDS’s sake that he had simply continued kicking arse in Florida, and waited. ‘‘Twas not meant to be for him this time. I don’t blame Desantis. I blame Pushaw and GOPe for talking him into it in the first place. It was ALWAYS a suicide mission.


Well, the good news for us all is that DeSantis has provided the template for how other states can pushback against Federal overreach.

If enough Red States elected Governors with the backbone to stand up to the increasingly tyrannical dictates of Washington D.C., we just might — might — actually see Republicans advancing Liberty.

And yes, I’m speaking to you my fellow Alabama voters!



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