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re: Pope tells kids in Singapore all religions lead to God
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:19 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:19 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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How does that address my concern that God is OK with letting the billions of people who are not of Christian religions rot in hell? Many of which are raised in third world shithole villages and never in their lives even hear about christianity.
It’s a good question. Bear in mind that we all deserve hell and that God chooses to save any of us is an amazing act of grace. God would have been perfectly just to leave us to die in our sins. It’s a human notion of fairness that leads us down the path of thinking that God owes any of us salvation. Christ called his followers to make disciples of all nations and we have missions and missionaries all around the world as a result.
Still..... Missing the point. Jesus (God wrapped in flesh)came to us poor sinners and told us only one way to achieve salvation.
If God chooses to do something different, that's His call, not ANY man here on earth.
Whomever makes it to heaven or hell is God's business. That's HIS decision.
It might sound unfair or you may not agree with it, that's doesn't change the message Jesus brought to us. There's only one path to the Father, thru Jesus.
The rest is for God to sort thru and work out,
not you, I, or the Pope.
It's really very simple
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:22 pm to Night Vision
I hope the next Pope is Catholic.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:45 pm to lake chuck fan
I’m still not disagreeing with you. What did I say with which you disagree?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:50 pm to Night Vision
This thread has nothing to do with politics.
It's one of the daily threads that we have bashing the Roman Catholic Faith.
It's one of the daily threads that we have bashing the Roman Catholic Faith.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 5:51 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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I’m confused by your response. Grace would be God’s unmerited favor on us, the good he gives us that we do not deserve. My whole post discussed that grace.
I'm confused by your confusion. Yes, grace is God's unwarranted favor upon us. What you aren't understanding is how we undeserving, sinful, dishonest, filthy sinners access that grace. The ONLY biblical way to that grace is accepting Jesus as our Lord and saviour.
There is no other way that Jesus or his disciples communicates to us.
Again, maybe God will change His plan....... but that's NOT for us to decide. That's God's business.
Paul said:
Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
How can it be any more clear?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 6:10 pm to lake chuck fan
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The ONLY biblical way to that grace is accepting Jesus as our Lord and saviour.
I wrote:
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By turning from our sins and trusting in what God did for us on the cross, we can receive forgiveness and spend eternity with the God who loved us enough, through no merit of our own, to die for us.
I agree one needs to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. However, when explaining that to someone, wouldn’t you agree it takes a little more expounding and explanation as to what that means? Telling someone to “make Jesus your lord and savior” might leave them without enough context to understand what that means.
I would consider us in agreement on that point but would invite correction if I said something deficient or in error.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 6:15 pm to Night Vision
HERESY.
I can't believe this man claims to be a Christian. But then again, he is Roman Catholic.
I can't believe this man claims to be a Christian. But then again, he is Roman Catholic.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 6:21 pm to Night Vision
I'm not Catholic. But can someone that is explain to me how this guy became Pope? What is going on internally that made this guy's rise possible? Maybe have a do-over and get someone else in there. 
Posted on 9/13/24 at 6:36 pm to TigerFanatic99
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How does that address my concern that God is OK with letting the billions of people who are not of Christian religions rot in hell?
So, you want God to force you to love Him? Is that how love works? Do you have children? What do you do with a stubborn child? A child that repeatedly and incessantly defies your every attempt to improve his/her life? Do you beat them into submission? Or, do you
Psalm 81:12 “So I gave them over to the stubbornness of their heart, To walk in their own devices. …
and hope they come to their senses? I think a good father does the latter.
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Many of which are raised in third world shithole villages and never in their lives even hear about christianity. frick those guys, right?
The Joshua Project. Yeah man. That’s a big deal. There are billions of people who seem to have never heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Still tho- how many of them are burning in Hell? The answer is still the same as those who have heard- only the ones that want to.
Here’s a little verse that speaks to your query:
Acts 17:30 “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent
But, wait- there’s more!
Acts 14:16 “In the generations gone by He permitted all the nations to go their own ways;
Romans 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed
From these verses alone- it seems as though ignorance (of Christ’s redemptive resurrection) has been accounted for.
Nobody goes to heaven, or hell, against their true will (vs what we tell ourselves our “will” is). Take my youngest son (anyone who wants pics can meet me at Sonic), for example. He says he wants to be a football player. But, every day, when he comes home from school and I ask him if he wants to go practice in the backyard- he says no, and proceeds to eat junk food and watch YouTube while lounging on the couch. Does he really want to be a football player? This is a great example of what Jesus meant when He said “you will know them by their fruits.” (Which reminds me how terrible I am at emulating Christ- and simultaneously makes me relieved to know that the God of all creation took this into account before He laid the foundations of the universe.)
I am starting to ramble. Sorry. My whole point is that I also don’t believe in the god that you don’t believe in. And that the god that the average atheist tears down, is nothing but a contrived straw man that fits all too neatly into a man made bucket that doesn’t carry water.
This is the God that I believe in:
[i]Isaiah 30:18 Therefore the Lord longs to be gracious to you, And therefore He waits on high to have compassion on you. For the Lord is a God of justice; How blessed are all those who long for Him.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 6:38 pm to Night Vision
Catholics voted for him
Posted on 9/13/24 at 6:41 pm to BamaCoaster
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God is the invention of humans/religion
What if you’re wrong?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 6:45 pm to Night Vision
I'm no fan of Francis, but to be fair, he's the most misquoted pope to date. Give it a week and get what he actually said
Posted on 9/13/24 at 7:06 pm to Champagne
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This thread has nothing to do with politics. It's one of the daily threads that we have bashing the Roman Catholic Faith.
First of all (but least important), the Pope is a very political figure. More importantly, are you more interested in defending Rome- or the words of Jesus Christ, when He said:
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
How do you reconcile this statement, from the mouth of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, with this statement from THE VICAR OF CHRIST- which explicitly says that “all religions lead to God?” Don’t get me wrong- I sincerely hope he’s right. Truly. Even satanists and natzees. Heck, I’d like to see a redeemed Jeffrey Dahmer in Heaven. But, the pope’s statement clearly conflicts with the Word of God. What say you?
Posted on 9/13/24 at 8:57 pm to Figgy
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I'm not Catholic. But can someone that is explain to me how this guy became Pope? What is going on internally that made this guy's rise possible? Maybe have a do-over and get someone else in there.
The same thing that has ruined this nation. There's such a thing as too much tolerance.
It infects the process and politics become more important than what the institution (our federal government or the beuaracy within the church) was designed to stand for.
It's inevitable. Man is corrupt and eventually corrupts everything he touches.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 9:28 pm to TigerFanatic99
So i hear you.
Its a fair concern.
Heres my take.
Scripturally God commands us to spread the gospel good news to all people and to love our neighbors as ourselves. Jesus himself said no one comes to the Father except through him. So its pretty clear.
And like mentioned before, if all roads lead to heaven, then there is no need for this.
So God is somewhat in a conundrum.
A narrow path with His grace saving only believers makes it seem unloving to the rest of the masses.
Vs
If He lets anyone in anyone no matter what, then people have zero incentive or example to be more Christ like or follow scriptural morality. God becomes irrelevant.
But we believe God to be loving. In fact God IS love. So at the end of the day we trust in Him. Tell the good news. Strive to be Christ like. Treasure these things. God can be the judge and we have to trust he will not be unjust or unfair. He could....allow a dream or vision for a late conversion somehow. But we dont know and should live as if that possibility isnt there.
God will not force someone to be with Him in heaven. And he is also loving and wants everyone with him. But sin is sin and there is only the triune God.
At the end of the day we have to trust in His ultimate justice.
Which, by the way, is better than some random cosmic happenings. Without God there is no standard of justice to begin with.
Its a fair concern.
Heres my take.
Scripturally God commands us to spread the gospel good news to all people and to love our neighbors as ourselves. Jesus himself said no one comes to the Father except through him. So its pretty clear.
And like mentioned before, if all roads lead to heaven, then there is no need for this.
So God is somewhat in a conundrum.
A narrow path with His grace saving only believers makes it seem unloving to the rest of the masses.
Vs
If He lets anyone in anyone no matter what, then people have zero incentive or example to be more Christ like or follow scriptural morality. God becomes irrelevant.
But we believe God to be loving. In fact God IS love. So at the end of the day we trust in Him. Tell the good news. Strive to be Christ like. Treasure these things. God can be the judge and we have to trust he will not be unjust or unfair. He could....allow a dream or vision for a late conversion somehow. But we dont know and should live as if that possibility isnt there.
God will not force someone to be with Him in heaven. And he is also loving and wants everyone with him. But sin is sin and there is only the triune God.
At the end of the day we have to trust in His ultimate justice.
Which, by the way, is better than some random cosmic happenings. Without God there is no standard of justice to begin with.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 9:33 pm to Stinger_1066
True, their stress ramps up considerably after their last gasp however. Big surprise coming to be sure.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 9:34 pm to Night Vision
This pope is an absolute loon. There is no way, based upon his outward signs, that he even has a tangential relationship with Jesus Christ.
Posted on 9/13/24 at 9:37 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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Is the Pope Catholic?
I have only been a Catholic for over half century, pretty sure Jesus is the only path to salvation.
This post was edited on 9/13/24 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 9/13/24 at 9:43 pm to DrPhillipSeymourbush
So now you're arguing everything/everyone from the position of a moral Christain anarchists? Sorry I will admit to being very confused by what positions you're attempting to argue either intellectually or morally nothing you're saying is making any sense from any sort of intellectual consistency
You've invoked both the name of Jesus and God now while maintaining that it's a corrupt system that you don't believe in yet you're sowing discord by arguing with people
which would not be a very Christian thing to do
If you're making the moral absolute argument that government is unchristian or ungodly then you can do so or attempt
but then you should make the choice not to participate in it at any level and not to argue or sow discontent with those who do
are you a 7th day Adventist ,if so according to own doctrine you violated the covenant
You've invoked both the name of Jesus and God now while maintaining that it's a corrupt system that you don't believe in yet you're sowing discord by arguing with people
which would not be a very Christian thing to do
If you're making the moral absolute argument that government is unchristian or ungodly then you can do so or attempt
but then you should make the choice not to participate in it at any level and not to argue or sow discontent with those who do
are you a 7th day Adventist ,if so according to own doctrine you violated the covenant
This post was edited on 9/13/24 at 10:42 pm
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