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re: Pope Leo: ‘God does not bless any conflict’

Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:46 am to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:46 am to
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This. The correct stance would be to minimize himself and maximize God. Instead he's obviously pushing a narrative that is too easily debunked. I'd be embarrassed to be Catholic right now.


I am not embarrassed. Jesus is Holy Communion in the Eucharist.

The Holy Mass and Blessed Adoration is not embarrassing.

The Vatican can corrupt because of infiltration of evil. The Eucharist can never be corrupt even if corrupted.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 11:48 am
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:46 am to
That argument doesn’t hold up whatsoever. The early Church meeting in homes doesn’t mean it lacked structure, it just reflects persecution. Even in Acts you see clear organization: apostles exercising authority, elders being appointed, councils being held, and binding decisions being made. Acts 15 alone shows a unified Church resolving doctrine, not independent groups figuring things out on their own.

As far as Peter goes… Scripture actually shows a unique role. He’s singled out in Matthew 16, speaks for the apostles repeatedly, and takes leadership in Acts 1–5 and at the council in Acts 15. Paul correcting Peter in Galatians doesn’t disprove authority, it proves Peter wasn’t impeccable, which Catholics already agree with. Authority doesn’t mean sinlessness.

Saying there’s “zero evidence of a well organized Church” ignores what’s plainly in the text. And historically, the early Church very clearly had bishops, succession, and recognized authority long before any Protestant framework existed. The real issue is that Protestantism can’t trace a consistent doctrinal or structural line back to that Church, it shows up 1500 years later with competing interpretations.
Posted by RoyalWe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2018
4896 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:47 am to
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I am not embarrassed. Jesus is Holy Communion in the Eucharist.

The Holy Mass and Blessed Adoration is not embarrassing.

The Vatican can corrupt because of infiltration of evil. The Eucharist can never be corrupt even if corrupted.
Not sure why you're bringing the Eucharist into this. You should be embarrassed of your Pope, not your ceremonies.
Posted by METAL
Member since Nov 2020
2363 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:48 am to
Man… You are finding answers to things where they don’t exist. Please take the time to dive in to John six and look at the back-and-forth and the actual words that were used. It is as clear as day. The early church believed it. Catholics believe it. Orthodox believe it. It’s just the Protestants that don’t. Crazy.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7817 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:49 am to
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No confusion

No, absolutely confusion on your part.

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You don’t believe in transubstantiation

You didnt start with that, you started with the Eucharist which Protestants absolutely believe in.

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so you don’t have the Eucharist.

And then made a logically false No True Scotsman claim.

You can gatekeep transubstantiation all you want, but the Catholic Church did not institute the Eucharist, Christ did.

Protestants just understand that the texture and chemical composition does not change, and God does not lie.

Therefore while we are unsure of the mechanisms, we trust God and don't make up medieval answers for things that are irreconcilable.
Posted by SelaTiger
Member since Aug 2016
21811 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:51 am to
Pope wants peace, not at all surprising.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61147 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:53 am to
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you started with the Eucharist which Protestants absolutely believe in.


All Protestants believe that the Holy Eucharist is the literal body and blood of Christ?
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7817 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:56 am to
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Are you claiming the Eucharist and Real Presence are separate things?

Yes, they are two separate concepts in spite of Catholic doctrine packaging them together.

It literally means Thanksgiving.
Thats a concept, thats an event.

Then there are several other concepts that are attached to it.

If the bread doesn't turn to meat and the wine to blood literally, there is still an identical Thanksgiving and remembrance that occurs.

We do believe that Christ's presence is with us whenever we are gathered in his name.

So we know he is there with us even not during the Eucharist.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 12:00 pm
Posted by JellyRoll
Member since Apr 2024
1965 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:57 am to
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Pope wants peace



Your pope is a train wreck
Posted by RoyalWe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2018
4896 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:00 pm to
I read John 6 closely yesterday, and I don’t see it supporting a literal physical interpretation in a consistent way.

Jesus uses symbolic language throughout John (“I am the vine,” “I am the door”), and John 6 fits that same pattern—strong imagery pointing to dependence, not physical consumption.

More importantly, in John 6:63 He explicitly says the flesh counts for nothing and that His words are spirit and life. That doesn’t line up well with a physical transformation reading.

I don’t think the issue is taking Scripture seriously—it’s taking it consistently.

I don’t have an issue with Catholics believing in transubstantiation, but I do take issue with the claim that those who don’t hold that view somehow don’t have access to what Jesus taught. That goes beyond the text.
Posted by dek81572
Bossier City
Member since Apr 2012
1492 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:00 pm to
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‘God does not bless any conflict’


I wonder if he's read the book of Judges?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61147 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:02 pm to
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Yes, they are two separate concepts in spite of Catholic doctrine packaging them together.



Protestants perverted the term to suit their whims.

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If the bread doesn't turn to meat and the wine to blood literally, there is still an identical Thanksgiving and remembrance that occurs.


If is isn't the same, how is it identical?
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7817 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:05 pm to
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Protestants perverted the term to suit their whims.

Again, Christ established it, Catholics interpreted it, Protestants have another interpretation.

This really hangs on your circular logic that because your side must be correct anything elae is a perversion.

Thats not logical in anyway.

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If is isn't the same, how is it identical?
Because everything done happens the same as it would.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 12:06 pm
Posted by BuzzSaw 12
The Dark Side Of The Moon
Member since Dec 2010
6993 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:05 pm to
The Bible is full of stories of wars and conquests. Many of which are blessed by God. I guess the Pope can't read.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Pronoun: Whatever
Member since Apr 2024
10520 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:06 pm to
There are actually grown people in 2026 arguing about bread and water turning into something and blood?
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
2703 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:06 pm to
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So hypothetically the Allies should have just let the concentration camps of WW2 continue?




Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
6261 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:07 pm to
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patient promotion of coexistence and dialogue among peoples


The pope needs to explain how we can coexist with a people who believe Jesus will lead a jihad against us, and what the point of dialogue is with those holding demonic beliefs (trannies)

What a clown. Won’t be long before he decrees women can be priests
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61147 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:07 pm to
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Again, Christ established it, Catholics interpreted it, Protestants have another interpretation.



Christ established it and Protestants started doing their own thing. That pretty much sums up every aspect of Protestantism.
Posted by TulsaSooner78
Member since Aug 2025
2703 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:08 pm to
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This Islamic God demands it.


Muslims worship the god of Abraham, just like Jews and Christians.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28044 posts
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:09 pm to
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Christ established it


Christ established Christianity.
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