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re: Pope Francis permits Priests to bless same sex couples in major Vatican doctrine change

Posted on 12/20/23 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 4:59 pm to
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It wasn't the Holy Spirit that led the Eunuch to understanding the scroll of Isaiah. It was Philip.



Right. Philip who was filled with the Holy Sprit
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:05 pm to
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That is Satan's Demon residing in your heart that causes you to tell such lies. Satan is the father of lies.



He used Koresh as an example of someone who claimed to be guided by the Holy Sprit to undermine my assertion that one can be led by the Spirit when trying to lead a Christian life. I simply pointed out that Catholics who also claim to be led by the Spirt and have all truth do evil things like rape alter boys.
Posted by catholictigerfan
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:14 pm to
LINK

an attempt to get back on topic here is Trent Horn a well known Catholic Apologist, speaking with Ben Shapiro a conservative commentator, on the issue of the document released of the Vatican.
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:18 pm to
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None of what you just said is in that Bible passage. Philip provided a sort of Proto-Teaching Authority to help the eunuch understand. Philip said nothing about him asking the Holy Spirit to teach him what it meant. Philip told him what it meant. You are just making it up as you go along.




Acts 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.


Posted by Stitches
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:25 pm to
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I simply pointed out that Catholics who also claim to be led by the Spirt and have all truth do evil things like rape alter boys.


So does Brother Billy Bob down the street. What's your point? Nobody is claiming that the tares aren't sewn among the wheat in the Catholic Church.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:30 pm to
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Trent Horn a well known Catholic Apologist,


A bit dishonest that he uses an example of single mothers who repent and are denied blessings to justify blessings to those who refuse to repent.
Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:32 pm to
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A bit dishonest that he uses an example of single mothers who repent and are denied blessings to justify blessings to those who refuse to repent.



must have missed that, got a time stamp?
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:36 pm to
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So does Brother Billy Bob down the street. What's your point?


I already made it.
The poster implied that if a person simply tries to use the Holy Sprit as a guide and not the RCC’s guidance, that person can end up like David Koresh. And I simply reminded him that a priest, who is steeped in Catholic doctrine and led by church theology can also still be a monster.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 5:38 pm
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:32 pm to
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LINK


Thanks for posting. It was worth enduring Shapiro to hear Horn’s perspective.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:33 pm to
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A bit dishonest that he uses an example of single mothers who repent and are denied blessings to justify blessings to those who refuse to repent.



That is a good point. FWIW, Horn did emphasize that this latest directive is ambiguous and too open-ended.
Posted by JCPegasus
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:41 pm to
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latest directive is ambiguous and too open-ended


I understand why many were upset and confused with the initial media spin (myself included), but after reading the declaration, what is ambiguous about…

There is no intention to legitimize anything, but rather to open one’s life to God, to ask for his help to live better, and also to invoke the Holy Spirit so that the values of the Gospel may be lived with greater faithfulness.”

And…

“Pope Francis urges us to contemplate, with an attitude of faith and fatherly mercy, the fact that “when one asks for a blessing, one is expressing a petition for God’s assistance, a plea to live better,

And…

“a  blessing that descends from God upon those who—recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help—do not claim a legitimation of their own status,

I don’t like what culture is trying to normalize. This doesn’t feel like normalization.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:43 pm to
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Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:03 pm to
By specifically focusing on relationships in this new directive, the focus shifts to the relationship (i.e. the sin) itself and not the sinful individual. The specific emphasis on the blessings of homosexual couples and those living in “irregular” relationships thus itself becomes a form of legitimation of “irregular” relationships.

Per usual, this Jesuit Pope has unnecessarily created scandal by sowing confusion. Does this new directive include blessings of polygamous relationships?

This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:18 pm
Posted by bayoudude
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:05 pm to
Has a sitting pope been removed from office? Just curious as the current one seems to be a perfect candidate.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:16 pm to
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Has a sitting pope been removed from office?


In the 14th Century, there were several popes running around Europe claiming to be the legitimate pope.

Political scandal is nothing new in the Catholic Church.

This Jesuit Pope is simply the latest face of the ideological struggles between throne & altar that have long plagued the Church.

This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:20 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:19 pm to
We’re all brothers and sisters in Christ. We’re blessed beyond measure but we’re choosing to argue amongst ourselves instead of rejoicing in the Good News.

It’s just silly and fruitless.
Posted by Guntoter1
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:42 pm to
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By specifically focusing on relationships in this new directive, the focus shifts to the relationship (i.e. the sin) itself and not the sinful individual. The specific emphasis on the blessings of homosexual couples and those living in “irregular” relationships thus itself becomes a form of legitimation of “irregular” relationships. Per usual, this Jesuit Pope has unnecessarily created scandal by sowing confusion. Does this new directive include blessings of polygamous relationships?


Yes it does.
Also,
According to this pope I can now bring my mistress to my parish priest and he will bless this irregular relationship with the indersranding that we acknowldge that we are sinnners who need help.
The Catholic Church just lost its claim to be the unblemished bride of Christ. Sadly we are now just another denomination with error in our teaching. This teaching is flawed.
The 2000 year old claim of unchanging orthodox teaching without error was just destroyed for all of eternity on Dec 18th 2023
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:52 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:02 pm to
where does it say couples? the argument was it is for "individuals".

the issue is all sinners who go to church can be blessed anyway.

this pope shoulda been impeached a long time ago regardless and is a disgrace.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:04 pm to
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This is true except for one thing.
You left out apostolic.
I mentioned that the church is apostolic in my post, just not in this sentence.

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What most people fail to realize Catholics included is that the CC IS post messianic Judaism. “ I came to fulfill the law not to abolish it.”
There is not enough space to type All of the parallels. Priesthood, sacrifice of the lamb. Mary as the new ark, the continuation of true worship, recite the psalms at every mass. A head priest(pope), a governing body, fasting, etc etc..
The return of Christ will not occur until the full number of Jews enter the church.
I disagree. The ceremonial laws and ordinances were fulfilled in Christ and therefore are of no more use to Christians. A road sign is useful to lead you to your destination, but you have no more use of it once you've arrived. Christ is the destination, so those things which are no longer needed have passed away, and those which God has repurposed continue for the edification of Christians under the new covenant in Jesus Christ.

The ordinary Christian is now the priesthood of the believer, so we need no additional priests. Jesus Christ is the High Priest who intercedes for His people, so we need no other High Priest. We can go boldly before the throne of grace through Jesus Christ in prayer, so we need no priests or others to intercede for us through prayer. We no longer have sacrifices (such as the perpetual sacrifice of the mass) because of Christ's once-for-all sacrifice on behalf of His people.
Posted by Robcrzy
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:21 pm to
pedophiles are next
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