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re: Pope Francis permits Priests to bless same sex couples in major Vatican doctrine change
Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:50 am to Guntoter1
Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:50 am to Guntoter1
quote:Merry Christmas
O come desire of nations bind
In one the hearts of all mankind
O bid our sad divisions cease
And be yourself our king of peace
Rejoice Rejoice Emmanuel
Shall come to you o Israel
Merry Christmas
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Posted on 12/22/23 at 8:55 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:I don't, or at least attempt not to. I don't base my theology on what fallible men said after the Bible was completed, but on the Bible, itself. The words of fallible men may be helpful to me but they are not authoritative to me.
You do the same from your perspective.
When I quote the Church Fathers, I typically do so in a defensive way rather than an offensive way, as Rome does. I know full-well that there were differences in thought and belief even among the CFs and they didn't have their theology fully baked. Some of them even believed things that were declared heretical afterwards. But again, that's why I go back to Scripture to support my beliefs, not vague traditions.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 8:57 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:09 am to FooManChoo
[quote]When I quote the Church Fathers, I typically do so in a defensive way rather than an offensive way, as Rome does. I know full-well that there were differences in thought and belief even among the CFs and they didn't have their theology fully baked. Some of them even believed things that were declared heretical afterwards. But again, that's why I go back to Scripture to support my beliefs, not vague traditions.[/quote
With sincere respect..you state “some of them even believed things that were declared heretical afterwards.” True . What were those things ? Private interpretation of scripture? Answer yes. It’s the private interpretation of scripture that is the source of the heresies.
You actually defeat your own belief systems with your own words.
Then you finish with vague traditions.
The priesthood is not a vague tradition. Every single Christian faith had the priesthood for the first 1500 years.
The real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is not a vague tradition.
Every single church believed it.
Your belief system is the novelty not the Catholic faith.
With sincere respect..you state “some of them even believed things that were declared heretical afterwards.” True . What were those things ? Private interpretation of scripture? Answer yes. It’s the private interpretation of scripture that is the source of the heresies.
You actually defeat your own belief systems with your own words.
Then you finish with vague traditions.
The priesthood is not a vague tradition. Every single Christian faith had the priesthood for the first 1500 years.
The real presence of Christ in the Eucharist is not a vague tradition.
Every single church believed it.
Your belief system is the novelty not the Catholic faith.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:23 am to FooManChoo
quote:
Not in the same way you and I are alive. They are alive in spirit, but dead in body.
Holy crap! You do not believe in the resurrection of the body?
Jesus was raised body and spirit.
We will all have a bodily resurrection according to every Christian faith, Protestant included
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:26 am to Guntoter1
quote:
Holy crap! You do not believe in the resurrection of the body?
We haven’t received our glorified bodies yet. This event will take place in the future.
Jesus had a glorified body after the resurrection because that’s his normal body and he was simply returning to it.
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:53 am to Revelator
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We haven’t received our glorified bodies yet. This event will take place in the future. Jesus had a glorified body after the resurrection because that’s his normal body and he was simply returning to it.
We haven’t but Mary has.
She was assumed into heaven body and soul.
The assumption of Mary.
I know you don’t believe or accept this. See how your initial error “sola script” has lead you into other errors
Posted on 12/22/23 at 10:58 am to Guntoter1
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We haven’t but Mary has. She was assumed into heaven body and soul. The assumption of Mary. I know you don’t believe or accept this.
No I don’t, and you can’t debate with someone who says all of the unscriptural things they believe in were somehow passed down through oral tradition.
Surely you see how ridiculous this is?
Mary was a human being and had a human body. Therefore, she is awaiting her glorified body like other believers.
Unless you are somehow suggesting she is a God?
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 11:01 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:02 am to Revelator
quote:
Jesus had a glorified body after the resurrection
Complete with nail holes in his hands and wound in his side.
quote:
24Now Thomas, one of the twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.” 26Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.”
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:03 am to Revelator
So. Do you accept the morman interp of scripture?
What makes your interp correct and theirs wrong ?
What makes your interp correct and theirs wrong ?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:04 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:
Complete with nail holes in his hands and wound in his side.
Absolutely. His glorified body was able to be touched and able to eat, yet was capable of disappearing at will. It’s all in the Bible
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:05 am to Guntoter1
quote:
So. Do you accept the morman interp of scripture? What makes your interp correct and theirs wrong ?
You’ll have to be more specific
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:12 am to Revelator
quote:
ou’ll have to be more specific
I understand why you are afraid to answer this question.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:16 am to Guntoter1
quote:
I understand why you are afraid to answer this question
You’ll have to ask one first? What Mormon beliefs are you speaking of?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:27 am to Revelator
quote:
You’ll have to ask one first? What Mormon beliefs are you speaking of?
Ok I will rephrase. what makes your interpretation of John chapter 6 correct and st Thomas Aquino’s wrong
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:28 am to Revelator
quote:
Absolutely. His glorified body was able to be touched and able to eat, yet was capable of disappearing at will. It’s all in the Bible
The apostle Paul would have considered that blasphemy. What is sown is perishable. What is raised is imperishable.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:29 am to Guntoter1
quote:
Ok I will rephrase. what makes your interpretation of John chapter 6 correct and st Thomas Aquino’s wrong
Again, what passages in John 6 are you referring?
And what do Mormons have to do with this?
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:33 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:
The apostle Paul would have considered that blasphemy. What is sown is perishable. What is raised is imperishable.
Correct. What is raised is imperishable. What does this have to do with a resurrected body?
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Revelation 6:9
9 ¶ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Notice how these people who are killed in the Great Tribulation haven’t yet received their glorified bodies
This post was edited on 12/22/23 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:41 am to Revelator
quote:
What does this have to do with a resurrected body?
Well you been answering questions that were asked of foomanchoo so we thought you know everything
Posted on 12/22/23 at 11:43 am to Guntoter1
quote:
Well you been answering questions that were asked of foomanchoo so we thought you know everything
I didn’t realize there was a protocol in place where a poster is not allowed to answer a question posed to another poster?
This happens all the time
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:15 pm to Revelator
You’re still avoiding my question.
If me and you have a dispute over an interp of scripture. Do we accept your understanding Or do we do what scripture says and let the church decide?
If me and you have a dispute over an interp of scripture. Do we accept your understanding Or do we do what scripture says and let the church decide?
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