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re: Pope Francis permits Priests to bless same sex couples in major Vatican doctrine change

Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:18 am to
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55314 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:18 am to
No, and your post is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Posted by OrthoBro
Member since Nov 2023
88 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:18 am to
The smoke of Satan entered the Roman Catholic Church centuries ago. So RCs should stop larping as Christians and become Orthodox.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15297 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:20 am to
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how about allowing clergy to marry?



Latin rite will never change this, but all other rites within the Catholic church allow for marriage before priesthood.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15297 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 9:22 am to
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So RCs should stop larping as Christians and become Orthodox.


maybe once yall stop baptizing Roman Catholics a 2nd time even though the creed says one baptism for the forgiveness of sins

And once the other Patriarchs stop ex-communicating one another...and stop being so nationalistic
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8689 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:05 am to
I recall it was Bishop Fulton J. Sheen who said, "There was a time when devout Catholics believed Mary was the only person conceived without sin, now most everyone believes they were conceived without sin". So goes the doctrine of original sin in the Catholic Church. So goes the corrupting influence of Luther's "Justification by Faith Alone" in the mind of many Catholic Clergy formed in our Seminaries in the West. So many of our seminaries worldwide (especially in the West) have been turned into communist indoctrination centers. Africa is one exception. We (Laity) need to pray hard the next Pope will be an African. Robert Cardinal Sarah (of Guinea) is my choice.

How bad has this poison corrupted the Catholic Mind? I can only speak for my parish. I perceive my parish to be a traditional-leaning Catholic Congregation but I suspect the malaise is widespread. The problem with people receiving Holy Communion "unworthily" is so prevalent, that our Pastor had to do a homily on why Catholics should not receive Holy Communion (i.e.The Body of Christ) unworthily. And even then I observed my Pastor didn't use the dreaded MS term (i.e.Mortal Sin). So has the concept of sin (including Mortal) been purged out of the Catholic/Christian mind? You be the judge.

So what happens when we have a Pope who doesn't believe in "mortal sin", to begin with, and refuses to preach the dangers of "mortal sin" - a heretical Pope who then conveys on gays (I assume Catholic gays) a blessing on their gay union? Now don't tell me the Church is only blessing the gay person, not the gay union. I believe you refer to that as "splitting hairs" with lots of wiggle room. A Pope who uses his experience as a floor bouncer to kick out any traditionalist/conservative Archbishop, Bishop, and Cardinal who threatens his diabolical plan. I wasn't born yesterday, I know what is going on here.

I leave you with this prophetic warming from Paul of Tarsus......

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables". 2 Timothy 4:3-4

Pater caelestis nos defendat a lupis, qui ad nos quasi oves veniunt. Amen

This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 4:28 pm
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16407 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:11 am to
I think the official language is confusing

The decision does not change the church’s definition of marriage yet they can now bless gay marriages?!
Huh?

Could they please be more vague?
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6434 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:45 am to
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I think it's important to understand that there is different levels of sin. Some sins are serious sins, others are minor. All sin offends God but only some sin is deadly.

This is important enough to warrant a separate topic probably, but, in the context of ordered and disordered human sexuality, homosexual acts are, based on Holy Scripture, “acts of grave depravity“ and by tradition, "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered” and “Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

So is homosexuality an example of a “serious” sin or only a “minor” one?

If homosexual acts are serious sins, what about adulterous heterosexual acts? Are they serious or minor? And heterosexual acts done outside of the Sacrament of Marriage? Serious or minor?

My problem, and my point is that dancing around sin or sins and engaging in theologically nuanced distinctions like serious and minor or deadly and merely offensive is confusing and rather makes sins against God and my neighbors a non-confrontational proposition, that is it allows me, the layman, the sinner on the front line so to speak, latitude to falsely rationalize by the ever shifting standards of the world, my own lapsed carnal standards, or the devil’s own rules which of my sins will land me in hell and which might not.

In my Baptismal vows-that I willingly renewed and undertook at Confirmation- I made a solemn promise to God, to the Church represented by my Bishop, my Parish, my Priest , my witnesses and sponsors, and my brothers and sisters in Christ that I would man up and fight against the world, the flesh, and the devil.

Just because human sexuality is a tough, unfavorable terrain to fight on and defend doesn’t warrant or excuse me, or any of us, homosexuals or heterosexuals, from the battle or from fighting with all of our strength, aided by the Holy Spirit, to uphold the truth under Christ’s Standard.

No matter what our temptations to sinful acts are, homosexuals and unmarried heterosexuals are called to chastity and married heterosexuals are called to fidelity. Simply because I’m not tempted to homosexual acts doesn’t grant me a superiority. I’ve plenty of my own temptations and sins to preclude that. By the same token, I cut homosexuals claiming they’re Christians no slack. They have to fight against sin and carry their cross like all the rest of us sinners saved by God’s grace and mercy, and Christ’s Incarnation, Passion, Resurrection, and Ascension.

It seems a hard lonely fight for a singularly critical cause. But it’s one all Christians are called to fight and win.

In my layman’s opinion at any rate.






Posted by Lutcher Lad
South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Member since Sep 2009
7577 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:54 am to
Doesn't this Pope, just like Joe Biden, make you cringe?
He is truly a dope of a Pope!
Posted by Prodigal Son
Member since May 2023
1719 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 12:29 pm to
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This is important enough to warrant a separate topic probably

Do it.
Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
1274 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 1:40 pm to
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God doesn't bless sin. Repent or ye shall all likewise perish.

John 8:11 (Samaritan Woman at the well)
“No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

John 5:14 (Paralytic man)
Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.”

Seems to be clear direction from Jesus, for these well known people/ events. Yes, they were saved and/healed and were instructed to repent/ stop their sins.
Posted by STEVED00
Member since May 2007
23159 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:03 pm to
He does this a lot. Makes vague statements and doesn’t clarify.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23151 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:10 pm to
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Pedo leader of the pedo priesthood


quote:

You really think Pope Francis is a sex offender? You think hes personally molested a bunch of children?



Yes

Or at least, just like his predecessors covers it up.
The Catholic Church has always been controlled by Satan puppets.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24737 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:16 pm to
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maybe once yall stop baptizing Roman Catholics a 2nd time even though the creed says one baptism for the forgiveness of sins

I'm proud to say that my formerly Roman Catholic wife did not need another baptism to join Presbyterianism.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28143 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:17 pm to
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Pope Francis permits Priests to bless same sex couples in major Vatican doctrine change


@ the Christians who wanted marriage left up to the churches.

Let's be honest, you'd really prefer the government stay in the business of marriage, just not grant it to those damn sodomites. You didn't want to share, so you took your ball home only to realize your parents invited those pesky sodomites over to sleep and you still have to share your ball with them... The irony...
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23151 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:19 pm to
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I'm proud to say that my formerly Roman Catholic wife did not need another baptism to join Presbyterianism.



One false faith to another.

proud
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 2:30 pm
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
10311 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:20 pm to
If I was a Catholic, I’d definitely be a Sedevacantist now.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28143 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:22 pm to
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@ the Christians who wanted marriage left up to the churches.

Let's be honest, you'd really prefer the government stay in the business of marriage, just not grant it to those damn sodomites. You didn't want to share, so you took your ball home only to realize your parents invited those pesky sodomites over to sleep and you still have to share your ball with them... The irony...


Let me get the assumptions out the way.

I'm pro-freedom of religion and churches/schools/other religious orgs should have the right to not host gay weddings/hire gay employees/publicly state that homosexuality is a sin/etc.

But you can't copyright oxygen, sunlight, or two adults who love each other and want to make a commitment to one another.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62079 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:29 pm to
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Bro, the resident Prots are busy bashing Catholics. They don't have time to read anything.



No one needs to read an entire page of Catholic doublespeak to know what the word,” blessing” means.
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:32 pm to
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Who needs blessings more than sinners?
In this case, it’s not a blessing. It’s a condoning…
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55314 posts
Posted on 12/19/23 at 2:44 pm to
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In this case, it’s not a blessing. It’s a condoning…


That is a lie.

These new blessings do not confer approval on any Sin whatsoever.
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