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re: Pope Francis Clarifies, Again, Why Some Don’t Like His Blessing Of Homosexual Couples

Posted on 1/30/24 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 1:55 pm to
He's the Marxist Liberation Pope so destroying the church is par for the course.
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:31 pm to
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Or maybe it was Peter's RESPONSE to Jesus's question that is the "rock" upon which the Church would exist? Such being that Jesus was/is "THE Son of God".


No. It was St. Peter. Jesus's naming of St. Peter (Petros or rock in the Greek of the time) from Simon and Jesus's blessing of St. Peter after St. Peter gives his answer clearly proves this:

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Peter’s Confession of Christ

13 Now when Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah, or one of the other prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you yourselves say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.” 20 Then He gave the disciples strict orders that they were to tell no one that He was the Christ.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 3:40 pm
Posted by Irish Knuckles
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:33 pm to
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Pope Francis Clarifies, Again, Why Some Don’t Like His Blessing Of Homosexual Couples


...because we don't like homosexual couples, the end.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21756 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:44 pm to
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Apparently, he and many Catholics believe the pope overrules the written word.

There aren't the many. FFS - the Church can't get better than 20% of Catholics to show up to listen to what the pope has to say.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:46 pm to
I am a Catholic and active member in the KofC and I loathe this pope. I do not agree with his spin.
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:52 pm to
It must be tough to be a Roman Catholic these days. On the one hand, they argue that one of the selling points of Catholicism is the unity that is supposed to exist. On the other hand, they are saying things like “not my Pope” because they disagree with the teaching of the supposed head of the church.
Posted by David_DJS
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:59 pm to
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It must be tough to be a Roman Catholic these days.

For me, it seems to be about the same as it ever was.

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On the one hand, they argue that one of the selling points of Catholicism is the unity that is supposed to exist.

Unless you're talking about the normal "unity" that any group advances, I'm not sure what you're meaning here.
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:17 pm to
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“Those who protest vehemently belong to small ideological groups.


A small ideological group including God, so count me in.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:35 pm to
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they are saying things like “not my Pope” because they disagree with the teaching of the supposed head of the church.


The Catechism remains unchanged. Homosexual sexual activity is deadly Sin. A homosexual can receive a Blessing on his Soul, but, this Blessing does not fall on the Sin that is on that Soul.

Catholics can disagree on whether this is a good move by the Pope, but, if they disagree with the Catechism on the issue of homosexual sexual activity, then they are outside of the RCC on this issue. They should go be a Methodist, or Presbyterian or Anglican.

LINK
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 4:40 pm
Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:48 pm to
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He's the Marxist Liberation Pope so destroying the church is par for the course.

LINK Pope Marxism & Christianity things in common
The pope also spoke about what Marxisim & Christianity have in common. That "in common" is very obscure subset of characteristics, especially considering statements like "the opiate of the masses", Atheism, value of the collective vs. value of the individual, human rights, definition of truth vs. pravda, etc. etc. In reality, the two have little in common.
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:58 pm to
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Remind me again, Francis, what does the Bible say on the subject?


Frank has ZERO idea (but he knows the Commie, WEF & Gaay Manifestos like the back of his hand).
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:18 pm to
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Because some people see homosexuality as a bad thing.




NO, because irrespective of one’s own sin they struggle with, or sin they enjoy, a believer is NOT okay with tampering with, ignoring, or re-writing scripture (God’s Word) to validate their sin. Only someone who doesn’t look to scripture or doesn’t actually believe in God in the first place is down with that. That’s the absence of the fear of God, or recognition of His sovereignty in determining what is right and what is wrong, regardless if they or anyone else falls in line with it in every facet of their life or not.

It’s okay to be imperfect and struggle with sin here and there. We are all works in progress that need to submit and look to Him every day in order to overcome if we are believers. It’s NOT okay to call yourself a believer and pervert, discount, or create doctrine that is in opposition to scripture. That’s pretty much the definition of anti-Christian.




Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:19 pm to
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No. It was St. Peter. Jesus's naming of St. Peter (Petros or rock in the Greek of the time) from Simon and Jesus's blessing of St. Peter after St. Peter gives his answer clearly proves this:

This particular conversation requires some deep study because there are 2 Greek words used in this dialog. "Petros" and "petra" which have different meanings. Why are there 2 different types of rocks in this passage? Also, Jesus asked the question,"who do you say I am" to all of the disciples, not just Simon Peter. Peter was quick to respond, as was his habit. Roman Catholics use this dialog to project a concept that their members are the only true church based on this conversation and that their pope is Peter's successor. Intellectual curiosity prompts many to seek all the potential ramifications, the words, rock, stone, stones, etc. and related scriptures. That is why many do not believe that the Roman Catholics are not the sole owners of "the Keys" and the sole owners of the definition of "the Keys".
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:51 pm to
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"Petros" and "petra" which have different meanings.


Petra and petros had the same meaning in Greek at the time this particular passage was written. Second, petros is the masculine form. Jesus (or the person writing Jesus's words in Greek) would not have named or designated Simon in the female form of petra.

Further, this would have most likely been spoken in Aramaic, which didn't make such distinctions as earlier Greek had between petra and petros. The only word was cephas, which is also used to refer to Peter.

The passage in Matthew 16:18 is not the first time or only time that Jesus had referred to Simon Peter as "Rock." According to John (1:42), Jesus called Simon "Peter" when he first met him. In Acts, Simon Peter is referred to throughout as Petros. Paul never referred to Simon Peter as "Simon," only Kephas or Petros. To interpret Matthew 16:18 as you do means that all of the early members of the Church, including the ones present when Jesus spoke it, were wrong.

As much as protestants want to shake it, disclaim it, or run from it, all Christians came from the one Holy catholic (look that up, too) Church. That same Church birthed the Bible that all Christians use as the source material for their catechisms.

Has the Church had its problems? Sure. Did those problems cause protestants to split from the Church? On some occasions.

But trying to pick apart a fairly clear passage in the Bible to say that Jesus never intended that Peter be the first bishop of the Church does nothing but cause harm to all of Christianity because you are attacking Jesus's own words. When you do that, you enable persons with nefarious intent to do the same: isolate and/or pick apart simple and correct Bible passages to twist them to what they want to say. And there you will find "Liberation Ideology" and the like.

Of course, this doesn't even address the tripartite blessing that Jesus gave Peter at that time which, again, clearly shows that Jesus was directing his communication as to Peter being the "Rock" upon which He would build his Church.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 6:21 pm
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23044 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:53 pm to
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St Paul wasn’t a pope.


Neither was Peter
Posted by Zarkinletch416
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Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:06 pm to
Homosexuality is a profoundly disordered condition. More than that it's a mortal sin to practice homosexuality. By his decision Bergoglio is blessing sin, which is impossible, and in itself a grave sin.

The Bishops of the Catholic Church of Africa, have refused to follow his directive. I wish I could see the same concern for the souls of her children by the Bishops of the American Catholic Church that I see in these brave African Bishops.

Satan has labored long and hard to sit in the Chair of Peter. He has realized his goal.

It pains me to no end to say this - Jorge Mario Bergoglio is a heretic.

Pater caelestis, defende nos ab his qui ad nos veniunt sicut oves in specie lupi, Amen
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 6:23 pm
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:27 pm to
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So, we are all in agreement that we don't like this move. Male Gay Sex is disgusting. Lesbian Sex is not disgusting.


lol
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
53312 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:53 pm to
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By his decision Bergoglio is blessing sin,


No.

Pope is being nuanced in that he's giving permission to Bless the Soul of the homosexual without Blessing the Sins on that Soul.

IMHO, this move is too nuanced and will cause confusion, and, I don't agree with this move on that basis.

Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
5791 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:54 pm to
Stick with the Word and you won’t have to worry about clarifying.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69406 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:54 pm to
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It must be tough to be a Roman Catholic these days.


Not really. Being a Catholic these days sure as hell beats being a Catholic back during the early-4th century when Diocletian was persecuting us. We also had some very bad popes prior to the Papal Reform Movement of the 11th century.
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