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re: Please tell me why we should NOT see Trump’s tax returns.

Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:44 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135504 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:44 am to
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I am able to understand MOST tax returns obrained in the course of discovery. When I receive an especially complex one, I hand it to my expert tax accounting witness, who explains the complex points to me.
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Like most of the lawyers that post on this board Aggie comes here primarily for the purpose of stroking his ego in terms of debate
Interesting. I had no idea he was a lawyer.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:46 am to
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You and I both know that the people asking for his tax returns aren't looking for any such thing. You know why they want them
I will certainly acknowledge that some people want to see the returns in hopes of finding rhetorical dirt. Are you willing to concede that some people want to,conduct a legitimate analysis?
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the odds that a politician would do something so out in the open that ended up on their tax returns in such a clear manner are roughly similar to The Ides that I'm going to be climbing the empire State building next year
Trump loves to remind us that he is not a politician.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35068 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:47 am to
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I will certainly acknowledge that some people want to see the returns in hopes of finding rhetorical dirt. Are you willing to concede that some people want to,conduct a legitimate analysis?


Well you can thank the dirt people for not ever being able to see his tax returns.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:48 am to
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you are suggesting criminal disagreement between Financial Disclosure Forms and Tax Filings. Are you doing that intentionally?


Two data points are (almost) always better than one.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135504 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:48 am to
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As an absoluttely hypothetical example, let’s say that a given return includes a 1065 for a partnership with Beria LLC.
Hypothetically, if your hypothetical example was deliberately undisclosed on the 278e, it could be pursued criminally.
Is that the hypothetical you are hypothetically alleging?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:50 am to
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I will certainly acknowledge that some people want to see the returns in hopes of finding rhetorical dirt.


Well shite that is big of you.

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Are you willing to concede that some people want to,conduct a legitimate analysis?


No

Why don't you tell us who is going to do that?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79944 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:50 am to
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Are you willing to concede that some people want to,conduct a legitimate analysis?



yes,those people are the IRS, and they are conducting a legitimate analysis.
Posted by SOKAL
Member since May 2018
4124 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:51 am to
Because, it's in the Constitution that you only get one baseless wild arse investigation per president. You already used yours, you little shite.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135504 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:51 am to
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Two data points are (almost) always better than one.
The two data points ALREADY EXIST!

Data Point #1 - Tax Returns
Data Point #2 - Financial Disclosure Reports
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135504 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:52 am to
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No

Why don't you tell us who is going to do that?
The IRS....in excruciating detail.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38636 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:53 am to
Schweitzer's Book "Clinton Cash" had enough DOCUMENTED political/financial scandal in it to put Hillary and Bill in jail for life...but you voted for her anyway.

Mind games are over...Trump Nation is woke. We'd vote for 'Hitler' if that is what it takes to rid ourselves of the Fascist Democratic Socialists (Progressive) threat. They plan on the Alinsky model/"engineered collapse" strategy of overloading and crashing our economy, in order to "fundamentally transform" it. That dog won't hunt.

Dems have forsaken the Heartland Citizenry for the (Utopian delusion) of Egalitarian Socialism, and are importing their future electoral Base (illegally so)...and that is what will lead to the NULLIFICATION of Democracy in our Nation. "Mob rule" or "two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner" won't cut it...I.e., paying people "who are not willing to work", with the money taken from responsible people who do work. Voting is well on it's way to becoming a political non-starter, when a majority of the electorate vote for crap like the aforementioned.

Yeah..."Trump's tax returns". And you can mark this Post for 5 years from now.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:54 am to
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Experts and advocates on BOTH sides would examine those forms, and I could evaluate the analysis from both sides


Setting aside your assertion that you would be able to understand the analysis that doesn't change the fact that 99% of the public would not have the requisite knowledge to arbitrate between the experts and come to an individual conclusion themselves
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 8:55 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62599 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:56 am to
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As an absoluttely hypothetical example, let’s say that a given return includes a 1065 for a partnership with Beria LLC. That alone tells me very little, but the name “Beria” catches my eye, so I do additional research. I learn that Beria LLC is owned by ten individuals whose names end in “ov” and who use the same Manhattan address. Further research reveals that all ten are Russian citizens, three of whom are in Putin’s inner circle.


That still hasn't told you anything other than "Trump has multi-national business ventures." You didn't already know that?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:56 am to
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I will certainly acknowledge that some people want to see the returns in hopes of finding rhetorical dirt. Are you willing to concede that some people want to,conduct a legitimate analysis

Actually no. I'm not willing to concede that because it would serve no political purpose to do individual analysis.

the vast majority of the public isn't equipped to understand the analysis and anyone that is equipped to understand the analysis knows this.

Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56121 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:57 am to
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Trump loves to remind us that he is not a politician.



He's not. However, he understands the political game. You can dress up in a baseball uniform but that doesn't make you a player but you can still understand the game itself.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93255 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:57 am to
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Is that the hypothetical you are hypothetically alleging?


It's clear that Liberal Hank has no idea what hes babbling about
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:57 am to
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Hypothetically, if your hypothetical example was deliberately undisclosed on the 278e, it could be pursued criminally.
Is that the hypothetical you are hypothetically alleging


and not to put too fine a point on it but just because the public hasn't seen both the financial disclosures and the tax returns doesn't mean that there aren't people who have that are in a position to do something about such a conflict
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82049 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:58 am to
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should see MY President’s tax returns so that I know who is funding him.
This is hilarious - the liberal media told you this is possible so you believe it.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:58 am to
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99% of the public would not have the requisite knowledge to arbitrate between the experts and come to an individual conclusion themselves
The same could be said of any issue subject to political debate.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:00 am to
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The same could be said of any issue subject to political debate

correct but in this case were talking about the release of personal information.

you do realize that you've become completely transparent in the recent weeks correct?

You are literally VOR 4 years ago.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 9:01 am
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