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re: Please inform me. Why did Obama think health insurance should be controlled by the feds?
Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:53 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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You under the foolish impression that medicare negotiates? Medicare negotiates nothing. You additionally seem to assume "tougher negotiating" private insurers demand fees on par with or lower than medicare. There is no such animal.
I mean if you hate the current Medicare price scheduling system, wake up Reagan and yell at him.
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:54 pm to Rekrul
people were being denied or priced out of coverage by insurance companies due to preexisting conditions.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:54 pm to Rekrul
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Please inform me. Why did Obama think health insurance should be controlled by the feds? by Rekrul
My health insurance now is useless garbage, what in the frick? I'm $5k and counting out of pocket for a broken ankle which required surgery for my son. My premium is $450 a month through my employer.
In 2004 my premium was half that and I was out of pocket less than $800 for 2 back surgeries, frick this bullshite.
I'm sorry to hear that man.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:54 pm to Rekrul
Most of the current Republicans in Congress seem to think it should be as well. Otherwise they would repeal it. Period.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:56 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:Problem is, you really don't know what you mean.
I mean if you hate the current Medicare price
Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:56 pm to narddogg81
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Because they wanted this hodgepodge to fail to force everyone into single payer
It's coming eventually. It's the only way they'll get the cost control they want.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:57 pm to Clark14
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people were being denied or priced out of coverage by insurance companies due to preexisting conditions.
So insurance companies didn't want to pay for events that have already occurred? That's odd. It's almost as if is insurance companies don't like losing money.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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bullshite!
Life is full of choices. Some folks invest with Madoff. Some folks drive drunk. Some folks drop their insurance. Stupid happens. Being stupid at one's own expense is a personal right.
For every exceedingly rare exception to the above, there is an easy coverage exception solution to compensate for it
No one chooses to be born with a heart condition or to be unfortunate to get hit by a bus. Be 60 when a great recession hits or some natural catastrophe wipes out their livelihood. And unless you got the solution, economies will always have winners and losers. Someone has to clean floors, pick up trash, serve your burger, and take those entry level positions.
You will notice you did not actually refute any part of my argument, you only tried to claim that all the circumstances one is put in are a result of their own actions, which is just silly. And didn't even bother to outline what and how this utopic choice world of yours operates. Or how simply repealing the ACA achieves it, or enacting the AHCA that you love will do it.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:00 pm to VOR
quote:Have you looked at costs of CMS/covered individual?
It's coming eventually. It's the only way they'll get the cost control they want.
No? You should. It ain't pretty!
In the end, this thing will not end up well for your brethren.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:01 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:At SIXTY?
and take those entry level positions
If so they are on medicaid.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:05 pm to MrCarton
so we wind up paying for their er visits and such anyway when they can't afford to pay.
we tax payers pay one way or another.
we tax payers pay one way or another.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:10 pm to NC_Tigah
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Problem is, you really don't know what you mean.
NC, I know with your bitter demeanor toward undesirables in your safe space, and a 20 post a day average over 13 years, that you have more then enough time to engage in another one of your patented and nauseating red herring arguments. That span hours and days while serving no conversational purpose except to give you hope for some eventual small argument victory you can latch onto.
...But I am not really interested in going down that road again. Not on a long weekend and with the girl finishing up some Jamabalya. Priorities and such.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:11 pm to Rekrul
Fake
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:12 pm to Clark14
quote:Except, now hospitals are incentivized to service those ED visits. Hospitals are doing quite well with o-care, thank you very much.
so we wind up paying for their er visits and such anyway
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:16 pm to Rekrul
I want to say first off I agree with you. Premiums are too damn high.
However, I was just visiting a buddy at a hospital who had a kid. The hospital had valet parking and the lobby looked like a five star hotel. We focus too much on appearances and all that crap that I think it provably keeps the cost of medicine up.
We need to worry more about getting great healthcare rather than getting care in a million dollar facility.
Long story short, I think we need to drive costs down by not building amazing hospitals/Dr. Offices. In The end, we pay for it.
However, I was just visiting a buddy at a hospital who had a kid. The hospital had valet parking and the lobby looked like a five star hotel. We focus too much on appearances and all that crap that I think it provably keeps the cost of medicine up.
We need to worry more about getting great healthcare rather than getting care in a million dollar facility.
Long story short, I think we need to drive costs down by not building amazing hospitals/Dr. Offices. In The end, we pay for it.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:18 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Problem is, you really don't know what you mean.
quote:Res ipsa loquitur.
NC, I know with . . .
Truth be told, unless you do a whole lot better than you describe, I give away far more money, goods and service to the needy than you earn.
Enjoy your dinner.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:23 pm to NC_Tigah
cool,but I was talking about those who were denied insurance
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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In the old system one chose between either a high monthly payment plan, or an inexpensive but high deductible plan. The ACA offers the worst of both worlds.
This is absolutely not true, I base that on personal experience as a working tax payer. If you're not a working taxpayer then I can't answer
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:42 pm to UHTiger
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Fake
What's fake?
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:52 pm to Rekrul
He never knew, it's just what someone told him to do
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