re: Pfizer efficacy down to 42% while FDA standard for safe/effective/approval is 50%

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Everyone's a fricking doctor all of the sudden.

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Pot meet fricking kettle, lol!

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This is a tad presumptuous, dont you think?

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Not really.

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Is it your belief that in 10,000 years of "pre-vaccine" human existence, we have never survived animal borne viral pandemics through natural immunity?

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First, infectious diseases have limited population growth severely through all of human history. Sanitation and wastewater treatment did more to limit the spread of disease than anything else, as it curbed fecal-oral transmission. Effectively, herd immunity was only possible with extremely small, unconnected populations, but they also were extremely prone to new infections. Secondly, because of the size of human populations currently, and the interconnected nature of markets, it is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to reach population equilibrium which smaller, orphaned populations could reach. Thirdly, certain viruses, especially RNA viruses, and certain bacteria, like Neisseria gonorrheae, developed extremely robust methods of avoiding detection by human immune response. Hepatitis C has evaded public health efforts because of its antigenic variation, and segmented RNA viruses like influenza are effectively impossible to develop long-term immunity at all.

There isn't evidence for any widespread human immunity for an infectious disease before vaccination. We could possibly eliminate certain diseases with antigenic stability with vaccination efforts, but the time for that has probably passed us by.

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As you can see above, Moderna was 91% effective at preventing hospitalization and Pfizer was at 85%.

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The cumulative rate of hospitalizations for people under 40 is 700 per 100,000 confirmed cases in that age group. That's all in since the beginning. So simply being young and healthy has a hospital prevention success rate of 99.3%.

So do we All still need this, or is the 80+% vax rate for the elderly a pretty good figure at this point?

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So simply being young and healthy has a hospital prevention success rate of 99.3%.

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big pharma doesn't want you to know that tho

I meant to edit that. That figure is irrespective of health status. That is simply the rate of hospitalization for all covid positive people under 40.

Either way, that is irrelevant. Nobody should be making the decision about the need for a vax except the person and their doctor. Are we supposed to have federal monitors in the room with patient and doctor to review test results and stats and if they exceed a certain threshold, lock them in until they take the shot? Are the "everyone get vaccinated!" loons running quick diagnostics out in the wild to determine if they have the right to shout at someone who isn't vaccinated? I really don't understand the lunacy of this mandate talk. I honestly don't understand the continued frantic push altogether given who we know is already highly vaccinated.

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And just to close the loop on your analysis of the significance of that 99%, over 50% of the population in the US is under 40 (as of 2019.)

So, if I get the vaccine, I am not immune from Covid, but it can potentially lessen the effects of Covid upon me. Once I have recovered from Covid, the vaccine alone won’t prevent me from getting Covid again. I can still experience a breakthrough and even die as a vaccinated person.

If I don’t get the vaccine, contract Covid and ultimately recover without death, I could get Covid again and repeat the same cycle at a later date, worse impact and die.

In either scenario, I can be symptomatic and contagious, the only difference being that with the vaccine my case of Covid may be less severe.

All of this for a virus that there is a 99% survival rate in the aggregate. Seriously, Is that right or is my understanding wrong?

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hospitals full of a majority non vaccinated

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comprendo?

btw possible side effects

skin rash, kidney inflammation and spilling more than normal protein in urine.

they asked the makers to study any relation between them.

if there was actual concerns, they would stop the shots.

if we do stop the shots grab your popcorn

To be fair, that paragraph is specific to the Delta variant.

That still isn't good, but it isn't about the over all efficacy.

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To be fair, that paragraph is specific to the Delta variant.

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Which variant (if the CDC is to be believed) is spreading through the nation and the vast, unwashed, uneducated, unvaccinated masses in the Southeast?