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re: Over Half of Democrats Don't Believe in Hell or the Devil
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:25 am to BengalOnTheBay
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:25 am to BengalOnTheBay
I believe in an all-loving and forgiving god who crafted us all in his image but sends anyone to hell if they happened to have the unfortunate fate of being born in the wrong part of the world and grew up in a different religion, never to be baptized.
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:25 am to Squirrelmeister
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You have presuppositions and biases that cloud your judgement, not me.
Anybody who claims to not have any presuppositions and biases is either a fool or a liar.
No offense, but it's true.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:36 am to BengalOnTheBay
What’s most astonishing is that 56 to 66% of liberals believe in God. I know lots of liberals and dam near all of em worship the God of the environment or the God of open borders or the God of abortion but VERY few worship our God in heaven.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:01 am to RCDfan1950
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There it is. The basis for Morality. "As ye would that men do to you, do ye likewise unto them". If there is God, and an afterlife with the Just consequence rendered according to the principle in the above narrative, then the 'what goes around comes around' would be Just and Moral.
IMO, there can be no Morality where there is no Love. And there can be no Love lest there is more than 'One' to reflect and validate said Love. The 'One' (God) might describe Itself as Love, but such would only be the potential of Love until such was shared and manifest between 2 loving Entities. Enter Jesus, and Love manifest.
Even more so, the creation of Humanity, albeit flawed by virtue of Humanities' limitation, imperfection and free will, which inevitably becomes de facto 'Evil'. God had to choose between either creating a limited (I.e., Evil Humanity for the sake of greater Love, or not. The Word rules both God as Potential Power, and Jesus (the Self/I Am) aspect of 'The Father'/God/Pure Energy/Potential as stated via "In the BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God). The Word (of Truth, accurate 'Blueprint') sets the rules.
God/Jesus respects those Rules and will not usurp the 'free will' of created Humanity to choose it's own ultimate value. Love of God (the Whole), or love of Self (Lucifer's choice).
Outside of validation of the idea of God, Humanity can choose it's Morality. But choose they must, as well as bearing the consequences (ultimate absence from God/Love) if one chooses Self over God. All Morality will flow from one or the other of these two. Other it is 'survival and prosperity of the fittest' and "wailing and gnashing of teeth".
Understanding and or believing these ideas comes with an innate cost. "Ye are bought with a price (owned)...", and "ye shall know the Truth and it shall set you free". Obvious paradox. The Word of Truth rules. But only for those who can "receive" it. The rest will fight it out over what is moral and what ain't. A real fight, and not abstract talk. "Where there is no vision (of Truth) my people die".
More mud on the wall.
Man I just dont frick with other people as i would not like to be fricked with as well lmfao, call it whatever you want
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I am a new testament guy myself
Many of Jesus’ quotes in the New Testament are direct lines from Old Testament passages. Plus, Jesus affirms many Old Testament characters and stories in the New Testament, such as Jonah, Adam and Eve, Sodom and Gomorrah , etc.
Its impossible to embrace the New Testament and say the Old is fiction, etc.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 8:07 am
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:11 am to burke985
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You can’t be dimocrat and believe in god, their morality and the word of god are the exact opposite
Yeah Christianity teaches the family structure. That’s no good for the cause.
Problem is Christianity shows it’s two face. Too many people that go through the motions but don’t actually believe. Or don’t actually read the Bible. I mean Christianity has gay preachers and Lesbian preachers.
You have a catholic president cool with aborting the innocent.
This is also why it’s failing. Who wants to be a part of that?
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:55 am to fischd1
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Angels on the sideline
Puzzled and amused
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused
Don't these talking monkeys know that
Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there's one, you're bound to divide it
Right in two
Angels on the sideline
Baffled and confused
Father blessed them all with reason
And this is what they choose?
Monkey killing, monkey killing, monkey over
Pieces of the ground
Silly monkeys
Give them thumbs, they forge a blade
And where there's one, they're bound to divide it
Right in two
Right in two
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:33 am to Revelator
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Its impossible to embrace the New Testament and say the Old is fiction, etc.
You believe Noah gathered every single animal on earth onto a boat he made thousands of years ago?
You believe Adam lived to be 800 years old?
nvm im sure you do
Posted on 7/26/23 at 5:54 pm to hubertcumberdale
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You believe Noah gathered every single animal on earth
Yes, woolly mammoths, saber toothed tigers, lions, polar bears, kangaroos and koalas, dimetrodon, diplodocus, Tyrannosaurus rex, South American sloths and new world monkeys, Neanderthals and chimpanzees, penguins, and brought all their food too. T-Rex would’ve needed to eat about 2 cows per day, and diplodocus would need 50 pounds of ferns per day. Noah also had to travel to the South Pole to get the penguins and collect their food (fish) for the long voyage. Then he had to travel to Australia to get the eucalyptus leaves which is the only thing a Koala can eat. It was tough work collecting all that food and also preventing the T-Rex’s from eating all the animals!
Genetics and geology are some of the many tools of the devil.
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You believe Adam lived to be 800 years old?
930 years bro!
Posted on 7/26/23 at 6:31 pm to BengalOnTheBay
I can’t imagine anyone from any walk of life believing in such make-believe mumbo-jumbo.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 7/26/23 at 6:43 pm to BengalOnTheBay
As Hank Williams Jr once sang just send me to hell or NYC it would be about the same to me. How true those lyrics are.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 6:53 pm to Damone
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I believe in an all-loving and forgiving god who crafted us all in his image but sends anyone to hell if they happened to have the unfortunate fate of being born in the wrong part of the world and grew up in a different religion, never to be baptized.
There is only one Just and rational explanation for this, D; and many Religions accept it as true. Judeo/Christianity used to believe it, but I think they dropped it around Justinian. The Jews called it "Ressurrection", and I think they still hold to it.
I know this, assuming that there is a Just God who keeps His promise in regard to how each person is rewarded and punished...such being "according to your works". NWS the 'mercy card' of Jesus.
Jesus called John the Baptist "Elias"...who was to come" and the perplexed Disciples didn't get it. "Let them who can receive this saying, receive it...". There are many instances of people 'remembering' experiences in past lives, when they were essentially a different person. "He that seeks to save their self...will lose it". One changes in a lifetime, hopefully for the better, and one does "not put new wine in old bottles".
I don't argue about this, because it's the only fair way. Otherwise, God is mocked by those who might choose Belief, but who reject Belief (of a God) for being callous and unjust, if not downright evil for the horrific consequences in many instances. I know that Foo and many 'Thumpers' who hold to the status quo (whomever/whatever/whenever such came to be) will condemn such as heresy...but there are far worse things to believe than each of us will indeed reap exactly what we sew in a next life. You murder...you will be murdered. I think many don't want to come back to an Earthly life, because where they are going in this life is not so interesting. They want it all just handed on a platter of Mercy. And once we face Jesus (all will, IMO) I think we may have a choice, given Jesus Promise of Mercy. Get a tap on the head and become perfect and step into a life scenario wherein one will never again be challenged by Evil...or...come back and take up where we left off. For me, at this time, since I believe I have eternity to walk this Path...I'm looking to come back stronger that ever. And see what I can do with it. But whatever Jesus decides will be fine with me. I'm no pride-filled rebel; I value Love way too much. And the more Love, the better. I think that is "going to Heaven".
Thank you Jesus.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 6:55 pm to BengalOnTheBay
Meh, the Devil's just another aspect of God.
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:55 pm to BengalOnTheBay
Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:50 am to Squirrelmeister
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Yes, woolly mammoths, saber toothed tigers, lions, polar bears, kangaroos and koalas, dimetrodon, diplodocus, Tyrannosaurus rex, South American sloths and new world monkeys, Neanderthals and chimpanzees, penguins, and brought all their food too. T-Rex would’ve needed to eat about 2 cows per day, and diplodocus would need 50 pounds of ferns per day. Noah also had to travel to the South Pole to get the penguins and collect their food (fish) for the long voyage. Then he had to travel to Australia to get the eucalyptus leaves which is the only thing a Koala can eat. It was tough work collecting all that food and also preventing the T-Rex’s from eating all the animals!
Genetics and geology are some of the many tools of the devil.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 6:54 am to hubertcumberdale
Seriously, the ark did have limited space. This is the real reason for the extinction of most megafauna. They just didn’t fit.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:31 am to AggieHank86
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Seriously, the ark did have limited space. This is the real reason for the extinction of most megafauna. They just didn’t fit.
The "Ark" was likely a form of digitized DNA information, so "limited space" would not be an issue. Those UFO Aliens are likely the 'Keepers' of said info. Assuming their interests are altruistic.
We are relative simpletons. "With God, ALL THINGS are possible". Given Time/Relativity, all things are probable, and have already happened.
I think Humanity is on the verge of a great leap. Let's hope that 'light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train', and that the 'Self-Aware Aspect' of Universal Energy (God) is truly loving and has this. Otherwise, hell and the devil and all things - Love at the fore - are meaningless and a moot issue.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 7:52 am to AggieHank86
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the origins of morality
It follows a concept of Natural Law.
Certain activities are proscribed as "evil" in every human society, and others, like supererogatory altruism are considered "good" everywhere. Natural law
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 7:53 am
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:48 am to tarzana
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It follows a concept of Natural Law.
Certain activities are proscribed as "evil" in every human society, and others, like supererogatory altruism are considered "good" everywhere. Natural law
So, t...was Hitler 'moral' re Natural Law...cull out the 'weak' in order to lend more energy to cultivating the strong? Cultivating the weak would an inefficient expenditure of resources, if now downright societally suicidal. Compete for dominance re resources to be used against those (Jews, in Hitler's pov) who might challenge one's ideological/resource (money) dominance?
Posted on 7/27/23 at 10:59 am to tarzana
The gnostic gospels explain the duality of man much better than the watered down King James version
In these, the earth is government by a demiurge and God gave man reasoning abilities to discern, yet man used them for bad and not god
In these, the earth is government by a demiurge and God gave man reasoning abilities to discern, yet man used them for bad and not god
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