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re: Over Half of Democrats Don't Believe in Hell or the Devil

Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:56 am to
Posted by TrussvilleTide
The Endless Void
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:56 am to
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He can do any thing the mind can imagine


Ok Gotcha

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God cannot engage in logical contradiction


Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:59 am to
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God constrains himself by his own proclamations. Like when he said he’ll never destroy the earth again by a flood. Or that he would restore Israel as a nation.
Can Yahweh change his mind?
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 12:00 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46845 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:09 pm to
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He can do any thing the mind can imagine

Ok Gotcha
Bad place to leave out a word. He can not do anything the mind can imagine.

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What's so funny?
Posted by First Sergeant1
Enterprise, Alabama
Member since Dec 2018
1039 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:12 pm to
One day, every knee shall bow!
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3690 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:23 pm to
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I believe dinosaurs really existed. Certain ones may have even been on the ark, though most of them died in the flood like so many other people and animals. Before the fall of Adam, all animals would have only eaten plants, herbs, and grasses and not meat.


Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3690 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:31 pm to
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I've encountered many people over the years who claim to have wanted to believe in God and forgiveness of sins, etc., but just couldn't. I understand why they couldn't (the moral issue I mentioned previously),


Those people were tearing you with kid gloves, because you are childish and potentially mentally unstable, or because they thought that response would shut you up without them having to listen to your nonsense.

They “couldn’t” believe because they just couldn’t believe because there’s no evidence of your fairy tales and there’s too much overwhelming evidence proving your fairy tales are just that.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46845 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 2:25 pm to
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Those people were tearing you with kid gloves, because you are childish and potentially mentally unstable, or because they thought that response would shut you up without them having to listen to your nonsense.
That's factually not true, at least according to their own testimonies, but hey, believe whatever you want to believe (see what I did there?)

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They “couldn’t” believe because they just couldn’t believe because there’s no evidence of your fairy tales and there’s too much overwhelming evidence proving your fairy tales are just that.
As I've said a few times now, there are many evidences for what I believe to be true, you just don't accept them for what they are because they conflict with your godless worldview.

Everyone has presuppositions that guide how we interpret evidences. Your presuppositions won't allow you even the possibility of interpreting evidences in any way other than in an anti-God way.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9355 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 2:36 pm to
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there are many evidences for what I believe to be true


Evidence for an intelligent designer or that the god of the bible is real and is that designer? Not that there is really evidence for either but I find one a bit more plausible.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299017 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 2:39 pm to
Man, Christians turned a beautiful and simple spiritual experience into a massive religion with a book written by man that is "inerrant."

I am a new testament guy myself. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9355 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 2:43 pm to
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Man, Christians turned a beautiful and simple spiritual experience into a massive religion with a book written by man that is "inerrant."


I think Jesus would be pissed if he came back.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13429 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:24 pm to
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Not really.


LOL.

Yes, really, and I explained why. And both of those reasons are NOT God is unknowable. One of them is almost the opposite of that, in fact. It has to do with requiring one to presuppose the nature of God before even engaging in the syllogism.

And since you are clearly so logically challenged, even if that were true, it can't be both true and a cop out.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 3:31 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13429 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:26 pm to
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and even the ones who claim they do don't use the term that way in normal conversation.


Nor do they live their lives as though it is true.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13429 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:27 pm to
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We would be judging that through the lense of our own society. They might both be wrong in our view.


Good point, they could be both wrong.

But they couldn't both be right.

Not if "right" has any actual meaning with respect to principle.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 3:29 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13429 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:38 pm to
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Because 99% of the population has never given a nanosecond of thought to the origins of morality. Of those who HAVE considered the question, I suspect that most just do not want to deal with the childish tantrums of those holding a different view or ESPECIALLY of those who think that their understanding of morality is the ONLY one.


It seems to me that those of you who seem to espouse a materialistic viewpoint are just as inclined to attempt to challenge others' opinions on specific points of morality as those on the theistic side.

I've not done that in this discussion. What I am disagreeing with is the notion that the popularity of social mores actually render some actions moral and other actions immoral without regard to any principles or foundation.

Basically just a big old popularity contest.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 3:43 pm
Posted by BengalOnTheBay
Member since Aug 2022
3855 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 3:39 pm to
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Heaven?


Precisely. Not of this world.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3690 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 4:37 pm to
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there are many evidences for what I believe to be true


No, there isn’t. However, there is actual overwhelming evidence and repeatable observable proven scientific theories to counter what you believe to be true.

You believe carnivorous dinosaurs - with meat eating teeth and digestive systems which could not have digested plant matter - were on the ark (which didn’t exist) 6000 years ago. C’mon man.

No telling what you think of Australopithecus, Homo Habilis, and Homo Erectus fossils, and transitional dinosaur to bird species such as archaeopteryx. Tools of the devil?

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Your presuppositions won't allow you even the possibility of interpreting evidences in any way other than in an anti-God way.


You project. You have presuppositions and biases that cloud your judgement, not me. I’m rational. I look at the evidence and acknowledge things that are actually fact. If evidence of a God was made apparent, I would take that into consideration. Problem is there is no evidence, despite your B.S. claims.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
7296 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 4:52 pm to
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No one is a universally good person without outside influence of some type, regardless of what you think.



Treating others the same as you would want to be treated is outside influence?
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39641 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 10:09 pm to
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Treating others the same as you would want to be treated is outside influence?



There it is. The basis for Morality. "As ye would that men do to you, do ye likewise unto them". If there is God, and an afterlife with the Just consequence rendered according to the principle in the above narrative, then the 'what goes around comes around' would be Just and Moral.

IMO, there can be no Morality where there is no Love. And there can be no Love lest there is more than 'One' to reflect and validate said Love. The 'One' (God) might describe Itself as Love, but such would only be the potential of Love until such was shared and manifest between 2 loving Entities. Enter Jesus, and Love manifest.

Even more so, the creation of Humanity, albeit flawed by virtue of Humanities' limitation, imperfection and free will, which inevitably becomes de facto 'Evil'. God had to choose between either creating a limited (I.e., Evil Humanity for the sake of greater Love, or not. The Word rules both God as Potential Power, and Jesus (the Self/I Am) aspect of 'The Father'/God/Pure Energy/Potential as stated via "In the BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God). The Word (of Truth, accurate 'Blueprint') sets the rules.

God/Jesus respects those Rules and will not usurp the 'free will' of created Humanity to choose it's own ultimate value. Love of God (the Whole), or love of Self (Lucifer's choice).

Outside of validation of the idea of God, Humanity can choose it's Morality. But choose they must, as well as bearing the consequences (ultimate absence from God/Love) if one chooses Self over God. All Morality will flow from one or the other of these two. Other it is 'survival and prosperity of the fittest' and "wailing and gnashing of teeth".

Understanding and or believing these ideas comes with an innate cost. "Ye are bought with a price (owned)...", and "ye shall know the Truth and it shall set you free". Obvious paradox. The Word of Truth rules. But only for those who can "receive" it. The rest will fight it out over what is moral and what ain't. A real fight, and not abstract talk. "Where there is no vision (of Truth) my people die".

More mud on the wall.
Posted by TCO
Member since Jul 2022
3261 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:58 pm to
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God first family 2nd country 3rd


How very un-Jesus-like

ETA. I’m not a democrat and I don’t believe in the Devil. Add that to your stats.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 12:00 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 7:23 am to
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Over Half of Democrats Don't Believe in Hell or the Devil

One day they will
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