re: Openly Communist Democrats are winning primaries all over the place.

Actually in both parties. The quicker everyone wakes up the better America will be. Those calling for extreme change have never read The American Experiment history or can’t get laid and don’t care how our society goes.

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Communists believe in the government eventually going away.

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What?

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Well, per the Lenin, socialism is just a transitional stage of communism.

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Per Marx, Capitalism is also a transitional stage leading to Communism.

The dem party has a cancer within it that is now showing itself for what it is.

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Yeah, that’s the main difference between communism and classical socialism. I’m talking about 1940’s socialism, not the fake shite they’re pretending to be now. Back then the socialists wanted to take over the means of production and manage the economy mostly without competition to determine prices and quantities of goods and services.

This is the same as communism. The difference is that the communists thought that as the people became trained the government would wither away. Without that last bit the communists were just socialists, although they were a type of socialist.

There were two types of socialists - globalist socialists and national socialists. The global variety were left wing socialists who believed that national borders would go away (this should cause a gnawing feeling in you when you think of current left wing immigration policies). The nationalist socialists believed in the nation and the racial integrity of the people. They also believed in state run businesses (this should give you a gnawing feeling when you see our current administration taking equity positions in companies).

The global socialists were left wing socialists and communists. The national socialists were right wing fascists and nazis. You will hear much objection on this board to the idea that socialists could be right wing, but it’s true. And the seminal anti-socialism text, Friedrich Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom, dedicates the book to “socialists of the left and the right”.

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Which is not the same as a stage of communism.

There is no “also” between the two

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I agree with you on this. I mentioned it to highlight the fact that socialism is not a stage of communism either.

Both capitalism and socialism were phases that Marx believed society had to pass through in order to reach communism. He specifically stated, repeatedly, that communism would never be possible without first having capitalism.

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Communists believe in the government eventually going away. It’s fairly stupid, but without that it is socialism not communism.


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whereas traditional communism historically seeks the total overthrow of capitalist states to establish a stateless, classless society often managed by a single party.


Your semantic games are even goofier than the ones they are trying to employ. Congrats, I guess?

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The second quote was not mine and it is misleading. “A stateless, classless society often managed by a single party.” is NOT the end goal of communism; it is a phase to be soldiered through until actual communism takes root.

There is no semantics on my part, just a thorough understanding of “communism”, “socialism” and “collectivism”.

MAGA and the Vance style populist losers have conceded so much ground to the left in their abandonment of free market principles - all that remains is an inarticulate tribalism among those who can’t be bothered to learn anything about capitalism and conservative intellectual history

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MAGA and the Vance style populist losers have conceded so much ground to the left in their abandonment of free market principles

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Its really sucks too considering the massive opportunity they had in front of them. Truly a shame. Oh well.

Trump’s first term was within the bounds of an ordinary Republican presidency (in a good way). This second term is a disaster and is fueling a lot of this DSA nonsense. Republicans thinking traditional Dems won’t vote for DSA candidates are delusional.