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re: Openly Communist Democrats are winning primaries all over the place.

Posted on 8/6/26 at 10:46 am to
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124818 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 10:46 am to
What is mainstream about the DSA? Explain
Posted by SlickRick55
Member since May 2016
2951 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 10:53 am to
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I find what is going on across this country right now greatly discouraging


I agree. In the past, I've never been overly worried or concerned about what a fringe politician tries to push, because I always think too myself "There are just way too many moderate folks on both sides". Sure doesn't seem the case anymore. The topics that Democrat politicians wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole are now very well received and mentioned without hesitation.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5956 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 10:53 am to
Then the US won't be 50 states any longer. I know of several that aren't going to tolerate that outcome.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124818 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 10:54 am to
We’re going to have a civil war between Netflix and door dash breaks? Some of you are kidding yourselves.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5956 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 10:57 am to
You're probably right there...
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38558 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 1:31 pm to
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For starters you could look up what nazi stands for
Other than putting the word in their name to make the party sound more appealing, something history is full of, what did the Nazis actually do that made them socialist in practice rather than just in branding?

And before answering, which definition are you using: traditional socialism, Nordic-style social democracy, or the message-board definition where any government spending or involvement in the economy automatically counts as socialism?

For my argument, I’m using the traditional political definition.

The usual arguments for calling them socialist go something like this:

They called themselves National Socialists. Fine, but a party name doesn’t prove what the party actually did, especially when it later purged its anti-capitalist wing and went after existing socialist movements.

They built roads and funded major public works. So have capitalist democracies, monarchies, dictatorships, and pretty much every other modern government. Building infrastructure does not make a country socialist.

They created welfare, recreation, and employment programs. Capitalist countries do that too. Nazi benefits were also tied to race, loyalty, and usefulness to the regime, not equality or worker control.

They imposed price controls, wage controls, and heavy economic regulation. That still isn’t socialism. Capitalist countries at war have also controlled prices, wages, production, and strategic materials without getting rid of private ownership.

They ordered private companies to serve national goals. That shows authoritarian control of the economy, not social ownership of it. The companies mostly stayed privately owned, the executives stayed in charge, and the owners kept making profits.

They constantly talked about putting the community above the individual. That was nationalist and racial collectivism, not economic socialism. Their “community” meant a racially defined German nation under a dictator, not workers democratically controlling the economy.

My reasons for saying they weren’t socialists are pretty simple: they kept private ownership and private profit, worked closely with major corporations, abolished independent unions, banned strikes, crushed socialist and communist parties, imprisoned or murdered actual socialists, and gave workers no democratic control over production.

A government can heavily control a privately owned economy and still be fascist, corporatist, or authoritarian. It doesn’t become socialist just because the government has its hands in everything.

I’m open to hearing the argument, but there has to be more to it than, “They put it in the name, bro.” And again, which definition of socialism are you actually using?
Posted by theballguy
HSV (Dealing only in satire)
Member since Oct 2011
40872 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 3:48 pm to
Nothing.

I have to say, this is beginning to be concerning.
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