re: On TDS, Female Psychology, High Neuroticism & Media Manipulation

I appreciate your honest comments. It’s not important to me that people agree with me, I write for my own pleasure. I’m always happy to explain my views further of course, especially to someone like you who argues in good faith. You should also know that I have my views about modern Western men too, and am in the process of writing about that as well.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the word chaos. In the Western tradition, (specifically Christianity and earlier mythology) it is understood that archetypal associations with women and chaos are the norm ( also exists in Hinduism and Buddhism). Chaos for instance, is associated with childbirth. Chaos is also associated with female sexual selection and female infidelity. Order and chaos have to do with our nature, they are not pejoratives. Chaos Needs Order, Order needs chaos. Again, archetypal descriptives of our nature.

For instance, Mother Nature. Nature is chaos. It’s not Father Nature. Women ARE nature. They bring life into the world. This understanding and association of chaos as an archetype predate Christianity . It didn’t start with my post. I hope that helps.

All that said, the OP makes it clear that men bring order to policy and government and women bring chaos to same. Trump Derangement Syndrome is a prime example of that. It IS the most obvious example of what you call “ toxic femininity “ and what I explain as the expression of female neuroticism . Also note that when you make the case for feminine order you speak of the home. Which is correct. This is where a woman’s energy is essential, not screaming at the sky about Trump or tormenting your overloaded boyfriend with the delusional inanity that he staged his own assassination or is a convicted rapist. Two things women have told me recently.

One last thing; men want peace in relationships and in the home . We crave it. This speaks to the masculine desire for women to curb their chaotic nature and embrace order. And women crave safety and stability which speaks to women’s acknowledgment of their inherent chaotic nature and a man’s ability to provide the order she craves.

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Black men also overwhelmingly vote Blue.

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Some polling has Trump at 30-40% with black men.

I doubt they’d be voting for Mitt Romney, but the fact that 1/3rd of that demographic is willing to vote for an old white Republican over a mixed race candidate is a pretty big moment for us as a nation honestly.

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Chaos is a feminine archetype and order is a masculine archetype.

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I only say all this to say I am sincerely curious on the philosophical, sociological, and/ or scientific basis for the quoted statement.

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Chaos isn't inherently negative, so don't take it that way.

Chaos/feminine and order/masculine is found in most religions and philosophies.

We need both.

If the world were all order, it would be functional but boring. Feminine chaos brings beauty to it.

If the world were all chaos and no order, then we wouldn't be able to function.

Take the yin and yang in Taoism. Masculine/order and feminine/chaos. A person is supposed to live right on the line between the two, with one foot in each side.

In chaos there is growth, but we need order as a stabilizing anchor. All order, no growth and no beauty. All chaos, no stability.

They are complimentary, just like men and women. Chaos isn't "bad."

This reads as someone chronically online and in an echo chamber. There are so many ideas in the world, not just your weird ideas you've made reality. Go outside and touch grass

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Lsupimp

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I would only add that legitimate historical concern for the oppression of women has left us with a population of low-testosterone males whose sensitivity to that history is utterly exploited - with the net effect being a near-complete ignoring of the needs of boys and men.

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This reads as someone chronically online and in an echo chamber. There are so many ideas in the world, not just your weird ideas you've made reality. Go outside and touch grass

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Solid way to dispute the OP. You must be one of the women he is referring to, or a beta male that these women claim to want, but end up sitting at the end of the bed watching while she wraps herself up with a real man.

The red pilled MAGA women who raise their sons properly are invaluable for this reason. Really, anybody who can still REASON in America has added value. It’s becoming pretty rare.

You know who likes that the least? Women. They loathe feminized men.

God bless you

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From what I have observed in almost 50 years of being on this planet as a human female, this statement is the complete opposite of everything I have ever observed and read. 90% of violent crimes are committed by men, which strikes me as chaotic.

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It seems Lsupimp is referencing concepts popularized, at least modernly, by Jordan Peterson.

Admittedly I've never read his books, but he does associate chaos with the feminine archetype, and order with the masculine archetype.

I do agree that a current cultural understanding of those concepts would lead one to believe that order = good therefore masculinity is good and chaos = bad therefore femininity is bad, but Jordan Peterson claims that's not how he's presenting each concept, that both concepts have pros and cons, benefits and pitfalls.

I've had the same question as you, and, having some free time tomorrow, I think I'll try and find if there are videos online on Jordan Peterson clarifying a bit more (I'm not looking to add another book to my 'want to read list', though I'm sure 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos is an engaging and insightful read). Though, wanting to sell a book, he may not go into the detail I'd like.

Sorry, all of that text and I didn't answer your question. I guess all I can say is that if Lsupimp is referencing ideas popularized by Jordan Peterson, I don't think it's a slight at women. Jordan Peterson doesn't strike me as that sort of guy. I do think he probably could have picked less provocative lines to draw in the sand, though. But perhaps it was purposeful in order to draw people's attention? He is a psychologist, after all