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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 5/29/26 at 11:57 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 5/29/26 at 11:57 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 5/29/26 at 11:58 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 5/29/26 at 11:59 am to hawgfaninc
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This would be huge. Really huge. It could be a major win.
If Americans manage to gain a foothold inside Iran, legally and under peaceful conditions, it would open the door to providing real support to Iranian protesters.
It’s still only at the discussion/understanding stage, not a done deal or implementation yet. But I really hope they can make it happen through smart, smooth ”diplomacy”.
Also, you can be sure that some of the Iranian negotiators are already compromised and are just putting on a theater show for the hardliners, so ignore their barking and tough talk. Disregard @mb_ghalibaf for instance.
I’m very hopeful this succeeds.
This post was edited on 5/29/26 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:01 pm to hawgfaninc
How many "understandings", "frameworks", "MOUs", "deal before the deal", "deal to agree to a future deal", etc. can we have? 
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:06 pm to Spaceman Spiff
It’s ok to call this out as the embarrassment and shite show it has turned out to be
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:09 pm to LegendInMyMind
The whole situation is goofy. What are we even doing…
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:10 pm to hawgfaninc
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There's going to be ambiguity in whatever "deal" comes together that allows the strait to reopen.
-Trump will frame this is as a nuclear deal--even though it is very unlikely that Iran has agreed to anything up-front (agreement to address in principle during subsequent rounds of negotiations is very different).
-Iran will contend that it is fully in control of the strait and that a "new status quo" is now in effect--even though it is very likely Iran has agreed to allow traffic to resume as a pre-condition for the US lowering its blockade and de-escalating in general.
-Trump will claim that no money is being paid--even though it is very likely that Qatar has agreed to release some frozen funds ($6 billion, perhaps more), while the lowering of the US blockade will allow Iran to resume oil exports, a key source of revenue for the government.
Both sides need to claim victory. And it appears possible that both sides have realized this and are baking it into the agreement now currently being finalized.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:14 pm to hawgfaninc
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IRGC-owned Fars News in response to POTUS' post:
""" Knowledgeable sources, while refuting the recent claims of the American president regarding a potential agreement with Iran, have described his statements as "a mixture of truth and falsehood" and an attempt to present a fabricated victory. According to these sources, it has become evident to nearly everyone that these claims lack credibility.
According to this report, the text of the agreement, drafted under the framework of "commitment for commitment," is in its final stages of approval in Iran, and a definitive decision has not yet been made. In contrast, Trump, who sees himself unable to withdraw from the agreement, has made statements that contradict the provisions of the agreement text. He has simultaneously announced an immediate end to the blockade.
Trump's Distortion of Key Agreement Provisions:
1. Strait of Hormuz: Trump has claimed that Iran is obliged to open the Strait of Hormuz without imposing tolls, whereas no such clause exists in the agreement text. Iran has emphasized that after the lifting of the blockade, it will open the strait according to its pre-determined arrangements. These arrangements could include monitoring and inspection of vessels, as well as providing services and ensuring security, for which Iranian reporters from Fars News Agency hear preparations are underway.
2. Dismantling of Nuclear Materials: Trump has alleged that Iran will dismantle or destroy its nuclear materials. Knowledgeable sources have stressed that not only is there no such provision in the memorandum of understanding, but this claim is fundamentally groundless.
Key Agreement Clauses Ignored by Trump:
1. Immediate Payment of 12 Billion Dollars: The most crucial part of the agreement, which Trump has not mentioned, is the condition for an immediate payment of 12 billion dollars from Iran's blocked assets. According to the agreement text, this amount must be paid immediately, and until this payment is made, Iran will not enter any subsequent negotiation stages. Failure to implement this clause would constitute a violation of U.S. commitments.
2. Ceasefire in Lebanon: Another issue is the establishment of a complete ceasefire in Lebanon in accordance with Hezbollah's views.
According to knowledgeable sources, only if these issues are resolved will Iran, in the next stage, engage in discussions regarding the lifting of all sanctions and the nuclear issue, in accordance with its red lines.
Concurrent with these statements, Iranian officials have emphasized that the final agreement will be formulated based on the principles and red lines of the Islamic Republic of Iran's system and with a complete distrustful approach towards the United States, such that any breaking of promises will be met with immediate reciprocal action. """
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:16 pm to hawgfaninc
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During the Iran War, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) carried out dozens of airstrikes against Iran in coordination with Israel and the United States, beginning in the early days of the war and continuing through the day after the ongoing ceasefire was announced, targeting both military and energy infrastructure in the Strait of Hormuz as part of a much deeper involvement in the conflict than was previously known, people familiar with the matter tell The Wall Street Journal.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:16 pm to hawgfaninc
According to Trump, we, but not Iran, have the technology to dig up the nuclear dust from its deep underground location. Assuming that's the case, what's to stop them from 1) letting our people in to dig out the dust 2) taking custody of the dust and then saying "thanks, suckers- we'll be keeping that" and 3) keeping our people as hostages? We're supposed to just trust them?
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:19 pm to TroutGuy
If they don't have the tech to dig it out then why are we worried about it?
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:20 pm to TroutGuy
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According to Trump, we, but not Iran, have the technology to dig up the nuclear dust from its deep underground location. Assuming that's the case, what's to stop them from 1) letting our people in to dig out the dust 2) taking custody of the dust and then saying "thanks, suckers- we'll be keeping that" and 3) keeping our people as hostages? We're supposed to just trust them?
My guess is little if anything Trump is saying in the latest Truth post will happen in the form he mentions.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:24 pm to BayouBengal51
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Since succeeding his father, Mojtaba Khamenei has not appeared publicly even once, fueling growing questions about his leadership, legitimacy, and ability to govern, both inside and outside the Islamic Republic.
More likely to be true - Iran has an alive Ayatollah or Talarico has an alive girlfriend?
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:26 pm to TroutGuy
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and 3) keeping our people as hostages?
Because that gives the US the greenlight to go in with as many ground troops as necessary to level Tehran and overthrow the government
A large % of people/voters at home that are against a never ending ground war in Iran would quickly pivot if American hostages are taken, particularly civilians just doing a job
Iran would effectively remove the main barrier Trump has to an invasion, the negative political optics
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:43 pm to Powerman
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If they don't have the tech to dig it out then why are we worried about it?
What happens when some other player is asked by iran to remove it?
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:48 pm to TroutGuy
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Short of a nuclear explosion, how do you "destroy" an element on the periodic table like uranium? I hope that "destroy" isn't a code word for "dilute," which Iran was offering to do before the war and which can be reversed.
How many times are you going to post this?
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:52 pm to hawgfaninc
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expected outcome of us/iran agreement:
1) strait opens and blockade dropped immediately.
2) ceasefire extended for 60-days
3) qatar transfers $6 billion of iranian assets to iran, the united states says it has nothing to do with that transfer (call it a coincidence)
4) us and iran continue (restart) negotiating nuclear issues, probably keep extending the deadline with little progress
5) no meaningful expansion of abraham accords
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:53 pm to ned nederlander
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Will there be an RFP issued to go dig up all the dust in Iran?
Or is it just a given the new Trump Boring Company will get that contract?
Are you upset Hunter Biden can no longer sell his art?
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:54 pm to ned nederlander
This whole mojtaba thing seems like the perfect setup for china and russia, they can release some ai videos of the guy talking from supposedly a mile below ground and use his persona as a puppet; while installing anyone they want to have control behind the scenes.
If he is dead, we will probably not find out easily because of the value of having a maybe not so real leader at the moment.
If he is dead, we will probably not find out easily because of the value of having a maybe not so real leader at the moment.
Posted on 5/29/26 at 12:54 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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I've more crying little bitches here than on a FB group complaining about ICE
Crying about the same shite every day and the shite has still yet to happen
That's some serious TDS
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