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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:04 am to Ailsa
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:04 am to Ailsa
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"This is a holding company set up by generals in Cuba that has generated billions of dollars of revenue, none of which benefits the Cuban people." "Not one CENT of it benefits the Cuban people. You understand this, right? I don't know if you know this. There's the Cuban government, and they have a budget."
Good thing the IRGC didn’t think of this…
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:11 am to omegaman66
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:16 am to jeffsdad
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Why haven't we sent them arms?
We did, but sent them to a very unreliable partner in the Iraqi Kurds. Whomever masterminded that plan, ran it up the chain of command and got Trump to sign off on it should be publicly humiliated.
If anything, they should have worked with the anti regime Kurds of North Iran. They hate the current regime and are Pro-Pahlavi.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:19 am to omegaman66
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We had a plan and they have abandoned the plan and decided to do nothing of importance.
I hear you. The plan Hegseth devised was limited in scope.
1. Bomb Iranian military
2. Iran capitulates
3. ????
4. Profit
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:22 am to BayouBengal51
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We did, but sent them to a very unreliable partner in the Iraqi Kurds
Remember when NPR interviewed the Iranian car dealer about his great month after selling the Kurds 50 land cruisers, and the official response was …. “they could’ve gotten that money from anyone”
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:24 am to hawgfaninc
We can end the war any time we want. Why do we need them to agree to anything? Why would we want them to agree to anything?
Lets say they all agree to leave Iran, dissolve the IRGC, never build a nuke, never build another missile, never support terrorism again... why would we even want that? They would just continue to do all of the above.
Trying to get a liar to agree to anything is freaking retarded. Negotiating with them is pointless... accomplishes absolutely nothing of lasting value.
Lets say they all agree to leave Iran, dissolve the IRGC, never build a nuke, never build another missile, never support terrorism again... why would we even want that? They would just continue to do all of the above.
Trying to get a liar to agree to anything is freaking retarded. Negotiating with them is pointless... accomplishes absolutely nothing of lasting value.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:28 am to AGGIES
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1. Bomb Iranian military
2. Iran capitulates
3. ????
4. Profit
No that was not the plan.
The plan was to bomb Iran to destroy their ability to inflict harm outside of their borders. The have a coup inside of their country. Politicians abandoned the second part for some reason.
Either their is something we don't know that cause them to do this that is being kept secret or politician have yet again screwed up royally.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:30 am to omegaman66
Iran regime change would be the obvious preferred outcome.
But if you buy the story that Iran lied under the JPCOA and was pursuing a nuclear device, then doing nothing or the status quo wasn't working either, and if you think Iran wasn't going to start using the Strait to affect global trade once it had a nuclear device and ballistic deterrent, well, that's putting a lot of faith in them.
Which is my main issue with those against this action, they readily admit Iran was doing all the above, but figured it would just be "fine?" I don't know they never seem to make a counterpoint besides "this is dumb."
And make no mistake, we could absolutely blow the chance to forever fix this problem, but at minimum it appears we have stalled the nuclear threat, which isn't worth "nothing" as people seem to argue.
The overall problem is without regime change, the odds increase that future world leaders do nothing like they were previously and we end up with a nuclear Iran and a Strait they can close whenever they want, just delayed a few years.
But if you buy the story that Iran lied under the JPCOA and was pursuing a nuclear device, then doing nothing or the status quo wasn't working either, and if you think Iran wasn't going to start using the Strait to affect global trade once it had a nuclear device and ballistic deterrent, well, that's putting a lot of faith in them.
Which is my main issue with those against this action, they readily admit Iran was doing all the above, but figured it would just be "fine?" I don't know they never seem to make a counterpoint besides "this is dumb."
And make no mistake, we could absolutely blow the chance to forever fix this problem, but at minimum it appears we have stalled the nuclear threat, which isn't worth "nothing" as people seem to argue.
The overall problem is without regime change, the odds increase that future world leaders do nothing like they were previously and we end up with a nuclear Iran and a Strait they can close whenever they want, just delayed a few years.
This post was edited on 5/8/26 at 10:32 am
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:34 am to omegaman66
Ok. You blame “politicians”. But Trump and Hegseth and Witkoff?
Congress didn’t authorize a war. And they attended the classified briefings and said it was an incomplete plan.
Congress didn’t authorize a war. And they attended the classified briefings and said it was an incomplete plan.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:50 am to AGGIES
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If tweet fails to load, click here. What could there possibly be to keep talking about with these people?
This post was edited on 5/8/26 at 10:51 am
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:54 am to BayouBengal51
actually Iran seizing their own tanker, may their way of providing an Iranian military escort through the blockade.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 10:59 am to TroutGuy
Good question to be asked now. Good question to be asked before the bombing started. Good question to be asked before tearing up the prior deal.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 11:00 am to AGGIES
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Congress didn’t authorize a war.
The US Congress has negative value. Whatever they accomplish is probably bad for the country. So, their lack of authorization is probably a good thing.
quote:
And they attended the classified briefings and said it was an incomplete plan.
I didn't see their statement that the war plan was incomplete. Which congressperson said that?
Posted on 5/8/26 at 11:01 am to AGGIES
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And they attended the classified briefings and said it was an incomplete plan.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 11:08 am to AGGIES
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Good question to be asked before tearing up the prior deal.
First two made sense. This one doesn't. I don't know anyone who believes this was actually working.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 11:09 am to wdhalgren
I was being generous regarding an “incomplete” plan.
You can google to find where they said there was “no plan”.
You can google to find where they said there was “no plan”.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 11:12 am to AGGIES
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You can google to find where they said there was “no plan”.
But I'm asking you to tell us which congressperson said that. Was it pro-regime activist Ilhan Omar? Or maybe noted war plan analyst Ms. Cortez? Because I have a hard time believing there was no plan. I'd probably go as far as calling whoever said that a liar.
This post was edited on 5/8/26 at 11:14 am
Posted on 5/8/26 at 11:16 am to Teddy Ruxpin
Opposition felt the prior deal was inadequate.
So now we’ve spent a lot to destroy their military infrastructure to persuade them to make a better deal.
Let’s see if a new deal ends up being better or about the same.
So now we’ve spent a lot to destroy their military infrastructure to persuade them to make a better deal.
Let’s see if a new deal ends up being better or about the same.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 11:19 am to AGGIES
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Opposition felt the prior deal was inadequate.
Felt? There is no felt. Iran was running circles around that deal. It's not up for the debate because all the parties seemingly admit to it.
I don't know how anyone could agree Iran has Uranium enriched past 80% and also believes the deal was working.
quote:
Let’s see if a new deal ends up being better or about the same.
This is a valid concern because if it's about the same we're fricked.
This post was edited on 5/8/26 at 11:21 am
Posted on 5/8/26 at 11:24 am to wdhalgren
Ok so any democrat besides the ones you named are also discounted as liars?
I’m already getting a sense that it doesn’t matter to you.
Would republicans be discounted also?
I’m already getting a sense that it doesn’t matter to you.
Would republicans be discounted also?
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