re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread

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You are ignoring facts that do not suit your narrative

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What facts? Trump acted due to pressure from Netanyahu? That's conjecture on the part of conspiracy theorists. Just like the Russian influence on Trump in 2016, and again in 2025 was conjecture. Those aren't facts, they're ad hominem attacks on the president, and they ignore US national interests as a perfectly rational motive for stopping Iran's advance. The Iranian regime with support from China was a threat to the middle east and was branching out to South America.

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What were the reported responses of Vance and Rubio when Trump said he wanted to attack Iran?

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I don't care what they were reported to have said, because they weren't elected to be the Commander in Chief.

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Wow! He and Netanyahu have done a GREAT job of that! I mean look how much better oil tankers pass through the Strait of Hormuz now versus two months ago. We just handed a weapon to Iran that they will now use against the world for decades.

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So you have extrapolated the current situation decades into the future? It must be nice to argue with that kind of prescience. Meanwhile, the rest of us will muddle along using facts that are currently available. The facts are that the regime has been greatly weakened by the bombing campaign. Their ability to remain in control of Iran, much less threaten Gulf Oil shipping for decades, is now in question.

Pro-regime propaganda and bluster, like yours, insists that the regime is in control, as they go bankrupt, their currency becomes worthless and their population grows more restive by the day. Meanwhile, President Trump has stated that when all is said and done, the regime will not control or threaten Gulf shipping. Sorry, but based on facts, I'm siding with the president on this forecast.

I’m surprised Fetterman hasn’t had an “accident” yet.

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Perhaps Fly is in possession of facts that POTUS isn’t aware of. That’s the only rational explanation for his fantasy forecast.

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He seems to be one of the folks who are obsessed with the idea that we're doing Israel's bidding. When you start from there, it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to hold ground. Like saying that Trump "just handed Iran a weapon" of blocking the strait of Hormuz. You have to ignore the fact that the Iranian regime has been openly brandishing that weapon since the early 80's; multiple articles from multiple sources document the threats over the years. They pulled it out for decades, any time anyone objected to their disruptive and deadly militant activities in the region. Nobody ever had the gumption to stand up to them, and meanwhile they were steadily building their forces to do exactly that, plus enriching Uranium and expanding the influence of their militia way beyond the Persian Gulf and into our hemisphere.

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Their ability to remain in control of Iran

No facts from you....Conjecture, no proof

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This is how you expose yourself. When you can't argue in good faith, you cut out a piece of a sentence and misrepresent what the other person just finished writing. I'll provide the entire sentence for you.

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Their ability to remain in control of Iran, much less threaten Gulf Oil shipping for decades, is now in question.

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That statement, taken as a whole, is a fact.

Unlike your assertion, "We just handed a weapon to Iran that they will now use against the world for decades.", which is stated as fact, but clearly is conjecture. It also clearly ignores the fact that the Iranian regime is now severely weakened and at risk of failing.


I'm left to conclude that you're incapable of debating what I say, so you resort to strawman arguments. Or maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a comprehension issue.