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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 5/3/26 at 7:54 am to Nole Man
Posted on 5/3/26 at 7:54 am to Nole Man
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The “official” number is about $25B so far. A more realistic current based upon Congressional estimates is in the range of $25B–$50B
Any realistic cost that is not just damn statistics, has to account for what is the actual additional cost of the war not inclusive of the normal cost of the military. Those ships and aircraft cost a lot every day even when not at war.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 7:59 am to Nole Man
I couldn't quite tell whose version of Iranian propaganda that was, but it was long on hyperbole and short on facts. The damage "estimates" were unverified and what we had was a couple of jets, a couple of radar installations, and some trailers, tents and quonset huts that were damaged. If that's $50 billion, then the US and Israel must've done about $50 trillion in damage to Iran. Do those massively one-sided damages that the Iranian regime has suffered make the US look vulnerable, IYO? Does that have US allies in the region running scared.
But, for the sake of argument let's assume this propaganda piece is completely accurate. Let's take their assertion at face value; Iran, with help from China and Russia, has built up a strong enough military with enough militia, precision ballistic missiles, drones , etc., to not only inflict grievous damage on the entire middle east, but grievous and long lasting harm to the world's greatest military. Does this mean we should've left Iran alone, let them continue to build their military strength, fund and strengthen their militia across the region, develop longer range weapons armed with nukes? Should we have just watched as Iran/China/Russia eventually reached a position of unassailable control over the Middle East?
What about the video's claim that damage to US bases is making Gulf countries wary of their US alliance? Why would anything that's happened to date make the other Gulf states less likely to likely to want an alliance with the US? Are they more trusting of the countries who have been helping Iran build their weapons and militia, like China and Russia, or who are refusing to stand up to the regime like the UK and Europe? It seems a little counterintuitive to me. Maybe you're making the case that this war was absolutely necessary and, if anything, we almost waited to long? If that's what you're trying to say (albeit with exaggerated unproven assertions), I agree.
But, for the sake of argument let's assume this propaganda piece is completely accurate. Let's take their assertion at face value; Iran, with help from China and Russia, has built up a strong enough military with enough militia, precision ballistic missiles, drones , etc., to not only inflict grievous damage on the entire middle east, but grievous and long lasting harm to the world's greatest military. Does this mean we should've left Iran alone, let them continue to build their military strength, fund and strengthen their militia across the region, develop longer range weapons armed with nukes? Should we have just watched as Iran/China/Russia eventually reached a position of unassailable control over the Middle East?
What about the video's claim that damage to US bases is making Gulf countries wary of their US alliance? Why would anything that's happened to date make the other Gulf states less likely to likely to want an alliance with the US? Are they more trusting of the countries who have been helping Iran build their weapons and militia, like China and Russia, or who are refusing to stand up to the regime like the UK and Europe? It seems a little counterintuitive to me. Maybe you're making the case that this war was absolutely necessary and, if anything, we almost waited to long? If that's what you're trying to say (albeit with exaggerated unproven assertions), I agree.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 10:37 am
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:11 am to Bunk Moreland
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CNN ran that video.
Of course they did.
They may as well be the propaganda arm of the IRCG at this point.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:31 am to MKP2004
Speaking of waiting out blockades
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:35 am to wdhalgren
I cannot tell what version of Israeli propaganda that was, but it was long on hypotheticals and short on critical thinking.
We should treat Iran and any other country in that region the same. There are many other countries that have nuclear weapons, are unfriendly to the USA, and are enlarging their military. Do we attack them? …No.
Why did we attack Iran? Because Netanyahu and his Jewish billionaire friends pressured Trump into it.
We should treat Iran and any other country in that region the same. There are many other countries that have nuclear weapons, are unfriendly to the USA, and are enlarging their military. Do we attack them? …No.
Why did we attack Iran? Because Netanyahu and his Jewish billionaire friends pressured Trump into it.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:39 am to Nole Man
The source is a far leftist whacko from Los Angeles.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:42 am to MKP2004
Some body explain why, if the CNN damage report shows horrendous, extreme valued damage to facilities, The number of dead US military is only 12, with half of that caused by US pilot error running into each other.
For that amount of damage with minuscule fatalities one can only conclude that Iran was totally being benevolent sending drones after the day shift goes home or distributing air dropped leaflets asking people evacuate before strikes . Like what the Israelis do.
For that amount of damage with minuscule fatalities one can only conclude that Iran was totally being benevolent sending drones after the day shift goes home or distributing air dropped leaflets asking people evacuate before strikes . Like what the Israelis do.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:49 am to wfallstiger
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:50 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:55 am to hawgfaninc
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Clash Report’s editors are TRT alumni, its only advertiser is a Turkish state defense contractor, and its podcast host promotes Muslim Brotherhood leaders. When Western politicians and journalists share Clash Report, they are amplifying an Erdogan-adjacent influence operation dressed up as breaking news. To be more specific:
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Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:57 am to FlyDownTheField83
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I cannot tell what version of Israeli propaganda that was, but it was long on hypotheticals and short on critical thinking.
Ah yes, the old Israel controls Trump hypothesis. A few years ago it was Russia controls Trump, Trump is Putin's puppet. Is Putin in on this too, or did "Bibi" outbid him for control of Trump? Maybe it's the Bilderbergers controlling the whole world? Or maybe the US has a national interest in not allowing militant Chinese puppet states to control the flow of oil in the Persian Gulf.
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We should treat Iran and any other country in that region the same.
Any Chinese aligned, autocratic regime with nuclear aspirations in that region probably will get equal treatment. Especially if they or their militia threaten shipping in the gulf and the Red Sea, or if they start making advances in to the Americas.
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There are many other countries that have nuclear weapons, are unfriendly to the USA, and are enlarging their military.
Not in the middle east, threatening to close the Persian Gulf, not with a long history of funding foreign militia in that region and branching out to South America. There's nobody even close to that.
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Why did we attack Iran? Because Netanyahu and his Jewish billionaire friends pressured Trump into it.
You're having trouble distinguishing facts from conspiracy theories. The ramblings of podcasters are not facts.
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Posted on 5/3/26 at 8:57 am to hawgfaninc
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Reuters: Iran’s proposal clashes with U.S. demands, as Tehran wants to delay nuclear talks while Washington insists Iran first give up its 400 kg+ of highly enriched uranium to end the war. Iran instead prioritizes reopening the Strait of Hormuz and addressing broader issues before nuclear negotiations.
The 14 point proposal includes lifting the blockade and sanctions, removing U.S. forces from the region, releasing frozen assets, compensation payments, ending fighting across all fronts including Lebanon, and creating a new mechanism for the strait. Iran frames delaying nuclear talks as a way to ease negotiations, while the U.S. faces pressure as the strait disruption impacts about 20% of global oil and gas flows and drives up prices.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 9:09 am to BayouBengal51
Iran really has no clue as to their situation. Their wish list is just a fantasy.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 9:58 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
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Their wish list is just a fantasy.
I think that maybe they are trying to follow Trumps playbook. Ask for the sky then settle down to what you really can get or in their case, ask and hope they will get anything.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 10:51 am to wdhalgren
You are ignoring facts that do not suit your narrative, I hope you wake up one day.
Were you wearing your smoking jacket puffing on your pipe as you proclaim, “…the old Israel controls Trump hypothesis..”? How many times did Netanyahu visit the White House to harangue Trump about attacking Iran before declaring he would attack Iran alone (lies)? What were the reported responses of Vance and Rubio when Trump said he wanted to attack Iran?
Wow! He and Netanyahu have done a GREAT job of that! I mean look how much better oil tankers pass through the Strait of Hormuz now versus two months ago. We just handed a weapon to Iran that they will now use against the world for decades.
Any objective reading of the information from multiple, sources will show we have accomplished less than we have gained. However, Israel and Netanyahu got what they wanted so all the Israel first fans should be happy.
Were you wearing your smoking jacket puffing on your pipe as you proclaim, “…the old Israel controls Trump hypothesis..”? How many times did Netanyahu visit the White House to harangue Trump about attacking Iran before declaring he would attack Iran alone (lies)? What were the reported responses of Vance and Rubio when Trump said he wanted to attack Iran?
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…not allowing militant Chinese puppet states to control the flow of oil…
Wow! He and Netanyahu have done a GREAT job of that! I mean look how much better oil tankers pass through the Strait of Hormuz now versus two months ago. We just handed a weapon to Iran that they will now use against the world for decades.
Any objective reading of the information from multiple, sources will show we have accomplished less than we have gained. However, Israel and Netanyahu got what they wanted so all the Israel first fans should be happy.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 10:55 am to Tigerswillprevail
Trumps playbook works because he holds the cards. Iran has no cards left. Trump took their Hormuz card and put it in his deck with the Blockade.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 10:58 am to FlyDownTheField83
You are mistaken. The blockade and Economic Fury along with taking out their assets has set Iran back decades. Their “leadership” is too stupid to realize how bad of a position they are in. It’s a matter of time before they collapse internally.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:09 am to Trevaylin
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I visited the house several times of my Kuwaiti female enviormental manager
I bet you did.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:29 am to FlyDownTheField83
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You are ignoring facts that do not suit your narrative
What facts? Trump acted due to pressure from Netanyahu? That's conjecture on the part of conspiracy theorists. Just like the Russian influence on Trump in 2016, and again in 2025 was conjecture. Those aren't facts, they're ad hominem attacks on the president, and they ignore US national interests as a perfectly rational motive for stopping Iran's advance. The Iranian regime with support from China was a threat to the middle east and was branching out to South America.
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What were the reported responses of Vance and Rubio when Trump said he wanted to attack Iran?
I don't care what they were reported to have said, because they weren't elected to be the Commander in Chief.
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Wow! He and Netanyahu have done a GREAT job of that! I mean look how much better oil tankers pass through the Strait of Hormuz now versus two months ago. We just handed a weapon to Iran that they will now use against the world for decades.
So you have extrapolated the current situation decades into the future? It must be nice to argue with that kind of prescience. Meanwhile, the rest of us will muddle along using facts that are currently available. The facts are that the regime has been greatly weakened by the bombing campaign. Their ability to remain in control of Iran, much less threaten Gulf Oil shipping for decades, is now in question.
Pro-regime propaganda and bluster, like yours, insists that the regime is in control, as they go bankrupt, their currency becomes worthless and their population grows more restive by the day. Meanwhile, President Trump has stated that when all is said and done, the regime will not control or threaten Gulf shipping. Sorry, but based on facts, I'm siding with the president on this forecast.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 11:41 am
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