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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 3/12/26 at 10:54 am to BOHICAMAN
Posted on 3/12/26 at 10:54 am to BOHICAMAN
When you start a war with no clear defined goals it's hard to win. We never really had a clear goal in mind of what we wanted to accomplish and how we were going to accomplish it.
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Posted on 3/12/26 at 10:55 am to Auburn1968
Just common sense.
Nehanayu and Trump both said regime change was a goal, which is a failed one. But we have destroyed their missiles. US and Israel cannot achieve anymore than they have without putting boots on the ground and they won't, due to military and global economic reasons.
Nehanayu and Trump both said regime change was a goal, which is a failed one. But we have destroyed their missiles. US and Israel cannot achieve anymore than they have without putting boots on the ground and they won't, due to military and global economic reasons.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 10:56 am to LARancher1991
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When you start a war with no clear defined goals it's hard to win. We never really had a clear goal in mind of what we wanted to accomplish and how we were going to accomplish it.
The goal is regime change. The administration chose not to sell it that way and instead went with the nuclear weapon nonsense. I don’t really understand why they did that other than to leave themselves an out if the going got too tough.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:00 am to Tigerstark
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It’s a tricky situation. I think our tactical and short term strategic military planning has shown a good plan and an ability to adapt and smartly apply our advantages.
I can only hope those same qualities apply to the whole plan for accomplishing the regime change.
Regime change ends the nuclear and gulf threat. Then there are no prolonged boots on the ground trekking through the mountains looking for missiles. This very much depends on arming the protestors. Drones will wreak havoc on the IRGC that remains. There is a blood debt that has to be paid.
This post was edited on 3/12/26 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:02 am to LARancher1991
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When you start a war with no clear defined goals it's hard to win. We never really had a clear goal in mind of what we wanted to accomplish and how we were going to accomplish it.
Trump, Hegseth, and Leavitt get on tv everyday outlining our goals. Every single day
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:06 am to LARancher1991
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When you start a war with no clear defined goals it's hard to win. We never really had a clear goal in mind of what we wanted to accomplish and how we were going to accomplish it.
Who says that we do not have a clear goal or plan?
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:18 am to BOHICAMAN
Phase 1: destroy the IRGC's ability to attack outside of its country. 90ish% complete.
Phase 2: destroy the IRGC's infrastructure so they have no way to effectively manage anything. 90ish% complete. Probably and underestimate.
Phase 3: Kill the IRGC foot soldiers so that they flee and desert in fear of their lives. Currently underway.
Phase 4: Enable groups within Iran to hunt down the IRGC or fight those that refuse to surrender or flee.
Phase 5: Bring in the new Iranian leaders (former over thrown Royal family.
Other than special ops no boots on the ground needed by us.
Phase 2: destroy the IRGC's infrastructure so they have no way to effectively manage anything. 90ish% complete. Probably and underestimate.
Phase 3: Kill the IRGC foot soldiers so that they flee and desert in fear of their lives. Currently underway.
Phase 4: Enable groups within Iran to hunt down the IRGC or fight those that refuse to surrender or flee.
Phase 5: Bring in the new Iranian leaders (former over thrown Royal family.
Other than special ops no boots on the ground needed by us.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:20 am to WeeWee
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Who says that we do not have a clear goal or plan?
Anyone that has listened to the dozen or so goals/rationales provided by the Admin.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:21 am to omegaman66
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Phase 1: destroy the IRGC's ability to attack outside of its country. 90ish% complete.
Phase 2: destroy the IRGC's infrastructure so they have no way to effectively manage anything. 90ish% complete. Probably and underestimate.
Phase 3: Kill the IRGC foot soldiers so that they flee and desert in fear of their lives. Currently underway.
Phase 4: Enable groups within Iran to hunt down the IRGC or fight those that refuse to surrender or flee.
Phase 5: Bring in the new Iranian leaders (former over thrown Royal family.
Other than special ops no boots on the ground needed by us.
This is pretty much how I see this playing out.
Reza Pahlavi doens't go from exile prince in the background and an outspoken opponent of forced regime change in Iran to calling for regime change and asking his people to wait for his "Call".
This has all the hallmarks of a US/Israel coordinated attempt at regime change. Reza has to appear independent and organically selected by the Iranians for this to work, that is why Trump hasn't endorsed him as the choice. Reza still has to do his part, which is mobilize the support of the Iranians in Iran to his cause.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:22 am to WeeWee
Urgent: Chinese FM calls for end to military operations in Middle East
BEIJING, March 12 (Xinhua) -- Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Thursday called on all parties to urge those involved in the current conflict in the Middle East to cease military operations as soon as possible and prevent the situation from deteriorating further.
Wang, also a member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee, made the appeal in a phone conversation with Egyptian Foreign Minister Badr Abdelatty.
XINHUA
BEIJING, March 12 (Xinhua) -- Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Thursday called on all parties to urge those involved in the current conflict in the Middle East to cease military operations as soon as possible and prevent the situation from deteriorating further.
Wang, also a member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee, made the appeal in a phone conversation with Egyptian Foreign Minister Badr Abdelatty.
XINHUA
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:24 am to omegaman66
Someone between the US/Isreal alliance is going to have acquire the nuclear material that Iran has accumulated.
That material is the Casus Belli of this whole operation. It cannot be allowed to remain in Iran.
That material is the Casus Belli of this whole operation. It cannot be allowed to remain in Iran.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:26 am to Decatur
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Who says that we do not have a clear goal or plan?
Anyone that has listened to the dozen or so goals/rationales provided by the Admin.
List them.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:28 am to cypher
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Urgent: Chinese FM calls for end to military operations in Middle East
More Urgent: omegaman66 calls for an end to communism in China.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:30 am to ScottFowler
Whatever is salvageable we will get. IMHO
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:31 am to WeeWee
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:32 am to LARancher1991
RelicBatches86, LARancher1991 , BOHICAMAN - Yall idiots arent supposed to all post at the same time guys. 
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:32 am to Decatur
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Six Days of War, 10 Rationales
Not paying for the atlantic.
ETA:
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The reason for war, he said, is to eliminate “imminent threats” from the Iranian regime—threats that “directly endanger the United States, our troops, our bases overseas, and our allies throughout the world.” (Let’s call this Rationale No. 1: the imminent threat.) Also, he said, the objective is to ensure that the regime “can never have a nuclear weapon.” (Rationale No. 2: no nukes.) Also, he added, the objective is to “ensure that the region’s terrorist proxies can no longer destabilize the region or the world.” (Rationale No. 3: halt the militias.) These goals are not incompatible, of course, and all involve degrading Iran’s ability to project force beyond its borders.
From the little bit that I can read outside of the paywall these are reasons to support the goal of removing the IRGC. Your argument that the regime does not have a goal. It is like saying that a doctor does not have a goal when he tells you to stop smoking because it will reduce your risk of lung cancer, reduce your risk of heart disease, etc.
This post was edited on 3/12/26 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:35 am to WeeWee
You’re a pretty smart guy and you pay good attention. You can find the info but I’m sure you are already well aware of all the various rationales being out forth.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:37 am to Decatur
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You’re a pretty smart guy and you pay good attention. You can find the info but I’m sure you are already well aware of all the various rationales being out forth.
Oh so the only ones who are saying that there is no goal are liberal hacks. Got it. Maybe you need to go down to WalMart and buy yourself a brain so you realize that the Atlantic is full of shite.
Posted on 3/12/26 at 11:38 am to Decatur
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Six Days of War, 10 Rationales
I know, this is crazy, right? I just finished reading The Art of War and it was on first page: "Explain the goals of your military endeavor to the enemy in clear and concise terms."
This post was edited on 3/12/26 at 11:44 am
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