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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/23/26 at 8:39 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/23/26 at 8:39 am to BayouBengal51
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An American F-15 pilot downed over Iran in April reported seeing Iranian drones flying in coordinated jellyfish-like formation
Drone formations aren't so new since they have been used in kind of fireworks-like shows for a few years. Militarily as air defense, now that's new if not too much of a surprise.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 8:42 am to Raging Tiger
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Their misinformation campaign throughout all of this was masterclass.
Nah. Their propaganda was effective because the US MSM and especially alternate media amplified it and sometimes passed it off as credible, relative to their reporting of whatever the US side said, of course. There are lots of folks who believed everything Iran said because their favorite news or social media source repeated it with favorable framing.
Many brainwashed Americans believe that border enforcement is racism and illegally obstructing ICE, up to and including violence, is a protected form of protest. Convincing them that the Islamic regime, which would slaughter tens of thousands of them in the streets, are the good guys is a simple task.
This post was edited on 6/23/26 at 10:40 am
Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:12 am to wdhalgren
What does 80 billion buy you in a war against Iran?
Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:15 am to remaster916
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What does 80 billion buy you in a war against Iran?
This is a question that has been discussed repeatedly through the entire thread. If you're interested in my views, click on my user name and read my opinions.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:17 am to Rainier Fog
12,000 targets for what tho? Their whole leadership structure was built for this (hence the Mosaic Doctrine). Sure they suffered but they took our best strike and are going on without a hitch.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:28 am to Raging Tiger
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they took our best strike and are going on without a hitch.
LOL
You really believe that.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:45 am to notiger1997
Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:47 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:48 am to BayouBengal51
Well then, I guess it's time to refreeze those assets if they don't follow the plan.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 6/23/26 at 9:51 am to BayouBengal51
We should demand to show proof of Motjaba being alive because it looks like Ghalibaf and Vahidi are running the show.
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So, the admins / designers of Mojtaba Khamenei's publication office have changed their computer from a Mac to a Windows computer in early June.
And more interestingly, Adobe InDesign version id was EXACTLY same as Ghalibaf's publication office.
Tool Signature for both Ghalibaf and Khamenei's pdf files:
Adobe InDesign 21.0 (Macintosh) | Adobe PDF Library 18.0 | Adobe InDesign 21.0 (Macintosh) | Adobe PDF Library 18.0 | Adobe XMP Core 10.0-c000 25.G.ef72e4e, 2025/06/27-18:54:05 | 1.4 | ar-SA | Adobe InDesign 21.0 (Macintosh)
Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:32 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:51 am to notiger1997
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Raging Tiger: they took our best strike and are going on without a hitch.
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LOL
You really believe that.
You weren't asking me, but here is what I think.
We hammered them very hard, so they are definitely not "going on without a hitch."
But I also think that they have proved to be more resilient than we expected. Their ability to create the perception that they still have a miniscule amount of control over the SOH has been quite impressive.
All it took was a few well-placed mines and a few inexpensive drones to convince the insurance carriers to stop insuring oil tankers.
All of our bombs and cruise missiles cannot overcome that.
I thought the plan to have the USN provide protection for ships transiting the SOH was a great idea. And if worked well for a day. But something spooked someone, and the plan was rescinded after 1 successful day. I really don't understand what happened there. We took away their only leverage and then gave it right back to them.
As long as they can maintain that perception, they can exercise a certain amount of control over us.
Why we don't call their obvious bluff is still a mystery to me.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:04 am to notiger1997
I think they lost alot of shite china can replace for sure. Politically, they seem to be in a stronger position marginally as long as irgc can hang on.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:06 am to Blaeke
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Who cares about 12,000 targets if you have a third world dump of a country dictating terms because our trillion dollar military can't hold the strait open.
While I have absolutely no inside info..
There is a great deal of conflicting info floating around and I think this is due to (first of all...) a deliberate attempt at flooding the information space with misinformation but secondly because there are fractures within the IRGC as a result of the multi-layered leadership removal.
I have no reason to not believe statements given by Vance and Trump (other than the hyperboli the Trump can utilize..)... Any other info released connected to our MSM and/or the IRGC falls under the umbrella I mentioned previously...
We know ships are navigating the Strait regardless of what statements the IRGC is making...
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:10 am to Stinger_1066
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I thought the plan to have the USN provide protection for ships transiting the SOH was a great idea. And if worked well for a day. But something spooked someone, and the plan was rescinded after 1 successful day. I really don't understand what happened there. We took away their only leverage and then gave it right back to them.
My understanding is the volume of missle/drone intercept munitions it took for that one day of transits used up a lot of ammunition. In short, I don't think it was sustainable long term without a more organized campaign of targeted strikes against where the targets are coming from.
Taking our foot off the gas and granting the ceasefire seems like a blunder in hindsight, but I don't have all of the intel the decision makers do either.
Iran's military was certainly compromised during the initial phase of the war, but given time, they can still launch targeted attacks that are effective.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:44 am to AndyCBR
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:57 am to MrLSU
All they (Iranian elites) care about is money and we are giving it right back to them. Pakistan can get fricked.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 12:43 pm to Raging Tiger
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If tweet fails to load, click here. So the only two "Neutral" mediators were Qatar and Pakistan and no other gulf states who have a stake in this. Sorry but this MOU is a disaster and we are stuck with it until after November.
Posted on 6/23/26 at 1:13 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 6/23/26 at 2:01 pm to BayouBengal51
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IRAN FM SPOX: Iran will decide how to use its unfrozen assets, with no restrictions on how the funds can be spent.
Shocked I tell you. I am shocked. Can someone explain to me how this can be? If I am not mistaken this is against the rules. So it just can't be true. It just can't! Right? Crazy how this stuff that NOBODY could predict just keeps happening.
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