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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:41 pm to wdhalgren
Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:41 pm to wdhalgren
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JD Vance just gave the clearest breakdown of the Trump vs. Obama Iran deal distinction I've heard.
Here it is — the Gulf State test:
The Gulf Coast Coalition loves this deal.
They hated the Obama deal.
Why?
They thought Obama made Iran stronger.
They think Trump makes Iran weaker.
Vance: "They know more about this, and they have more to lose than anybody, including the USA. So I trust their judgment."
The negotiating position:
Obama in 2015: Iran has a sophisticated nuclear program. Let's bribe them with American money to stop it.
Trump in 2026: We already destroyed your nuclear program. Promise not to rebuild it, and you get some sanctions relief.
One is negotiating from fear.
The other is negotiating from rubble.
The substance:
"The Obama nuclear deal allowed enrichment, ours will not."
"The Obama deal allowed the accumulation of stockpiled weapons-grade material, ours is actually leading to the destruction of that stockpile of enriched material."
"The Obama deal gave them over a billion dollars of American money. This deal gives them $0 of American money."
Bottom line from @JDVance:
"We're coming at it from a position of strength, and the fact that our gulf coast partners love this deal."
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:41 pm to SemperFiDawg
The big thing is this lack of stability with our allies is essentially global. Many around here clap like seals when Trump does it to our European allies but it nonetheless paints a picture of a United States that cannot be relied upon to the degree they once were.
I’m sure nativist/isolationist will jaw off something and that’s fine but you can’t have global leadership and all that entails while browbeating, lecturing, and disregarding your allies. If we don’t want to be a global power anymore, we need to seize all of North America to essentially create the continental fortress necessary for it to work.
I’m sure nativist/isolationist will jaw off something and that’s fine but you can’t have global leadership and all that entails while browbeating, lecturing, and disregarding your allies. If we don’t want to be a global power anymore, we need to seize all of North America to essentially create the continental fortress necessary for it to work.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:01 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:58 pm to hawgfaninc
Yeah, most Americans don't give a shite if it is a good or bad deal they just want the bullshite over.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:59 pm to hawgfaninc
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Approve: 56% ?? Disapprove: 13%
What is this, an internal IRGC poll?
I’m struggling to find anyone I respect who thinks the deal is good. Most hope it’s part of some bigger plan.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:59 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:00 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:05 pm to BayouBengal51
The way the WH posture/comments towards Israel are going, we're roughly two weeks from Trump saying something about from the river to the sea.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:07 pm to hawgfaninc
Probably most of the respondents to this poll have no clue as to what is going on over there.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:10 pm to BayouBengal51
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According to Ali Hashem with Al Jazeera, heavy fighting continues between Hezbollah and Israeli forces along the Kfar Tibnit-Ali Taher axis. Reports indicate Israeli casualties following roadside bomb and anti-tank missile attacks, with helicopters seen evacuating wounded soldiers over Yahmar al-Shaqif, as Israeli warplanes conduct multiple strikes around Nabatieh, including inside the city
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:15 pm to Diego Ricardo
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The way the WH posture/comments towards Israel are going, we're roughly two weeks from Trump saying something about from the river to the sea.
Trump said earlier today when asked if Israel attacked Iran would he support them and he said yes, if they were provoked. I don't think we have to worry about any river to the sea comments from the admin.
While some of Vance and Trump's comments in the last couple of days have not exactly been glowing endorsements and sometimes outright insults to Israel, I believe we would still stand by them if need be.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:19 pm to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:21 pm to BayouBengal51
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Iranian back Hezbollah launched an attack this evening and killed 4 IDF soldiers this evening. The Israeli response is likely to be significant.
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:21 pm to BayouBengal51
He’ll regret having his name on this shite sandwich
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:46 pm to Vegas Eddie
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Amjad Taha ???? ??
@amjadt25
Emirati Expert in Strategic and Political Affairs (Middle East) | Author | Analyst and Researcher | Bu Zayed| Posts reflect my views only.
Taha is what you call an unofficial but closely aligned talking head who effectively gets out UAE-aligned positions without being directly tied to the UAE government to give the appearance that he isn't speaking on behalf of the UAE but in reality is.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:04 pm to MrLSU
These relationships are not damaged beyond repair but Trump has bungled things so badly it’s going to hurt any future attempts to exert control over Iran.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:22 pm to Diego Ricardo
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:25 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:27 pm to Diego Ricardo
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These relationships are not damaged beyond repair but Trump has bungled things so badly it’s going to hurt any future attempts to exert control over Iran.
Agree with you on both points but it takes a very long time to build trust back and these countries will remember this for quite awhile.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:37 pm to MrLSU
Vance can kiss his presidential aspirations goodbye. He and Trump have fricked this up so bad even the bullshitters can’t talk their way out of this disaster. I’m sick of listening to Trump tell me how great this is when it’s objectively horrible.
Now Vance has his stamp all over this and can get fricked.
Now Vance has his stamp all over this and can get fricked.
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