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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:22 am to Pendulum
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:22 am to Pendulum
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If the rest of the Arab countries dont want to help, then what are we supposed to do?
This is definitely another part of the equation... It seems rather naive for the Arab world to think (as it seems to be the case..) that they can just ignore the neighborhood idiots and sooner or later they will go away...
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I honestly think it feels so much worse than it actually is because of all the talking trumps done. If this is 4d chess, we need to get the fk up and stop playing.
Good point and I tend to agree with this thought...
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:27 am to Pendulum
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Putting aside the oil waiver/license and no-new sanctions concerns, the more I try to understand what it would take to actually implement Para. 6 ($300B reconstruction fund) and Para. 7 (terminate all sanctions), the more I think U.S. negotiators either knew a final deal was impossible.
This MOU is kicking the can.
Here's what "full implementation" would actually require beyond nuclear concessions:
Para. 6 — $300B fund:
Presidential waiver of IFCA §1245 mandatory sanctions on Iran's construction sector (180-day renewable, Congressional notification required, every cycle)
IRGC FTO delisting, or investors face criminal material support exposurem no general license fixes that
ISA national interest waiver for energy/petroleum investment
Result: no institutional investor commits billions on rolling 6-month waiver cycles.
Para. 7 — Terminate ALL sanctions:
CISADA §104: no presidential waiver authority — mandatory sanctions, requires Congressional repeal
NDAA §1245: 120-day renewable waiver, mandatory Congressional reporting each cycle
§311 PATRIOT Act designation of Iranian financial sector as money laundering concern: separate FinCEN rulemaking, not solved by OFAC
Terrorism + human rights + Russia-overlap designations: each requires independent legal action
All sanctions isn't a switch but a multi-year legislative and regulatory project, and Congress has a vote. How would you get EU to drop Iran's sections under Russia files.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:34 am to hawgfaninc
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Vance tells New York Times:
There is a strange panic within the Israeli establishment, which I sense, where it is assumed that anything considered and potentially beneficial to Iran will indeed happen, but that it will happen without the Iranians changing any behavior on their part.
Therefore, I find this whole wave of hysteria in Israel somewhat strange, because in my opinion, it stems from a lack of trust.
The US has rightfully earned the trust of this region. We have done a very good job for that "particular country" and its government, and I believe the facts do not support the claim that we made a bad deal, which does not make sense when considering the depth and duration of the parties' relations.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:43 am to hawgfaninc
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.@VP: "You're talking about billions and billions of nuclear infrastructure that the U.S. destroyed. In order for them to rebuild that program, they would have to get a lot of money — and we have them in an economic chokehold right now that we're not going to release until they fundamentally change their behavior... That would mean a real inspections regime. That would mean a real enforcement regime. That would mean the destruction of their enriched stockpile."
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:45 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:46 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:47 am to hawgfaninc
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Part of the huge disconnect about the deal, which is a recurring problem with Trump and normal people, is that Trump doesn't see the deal the way we see the deal. It's provisional and contingent to him. You can see this reflected in almost everything he says about it.
The reason for this is that Trump is extremely high-agency, and extremely high-agency people don't worry about making mistakes or whatever else and just do things that seem plausibly good and savvy, which Trump is also very good at.
They do this because they know if things go wrong, they'll just do something else because they're extremely high-agency and extremely confident in their abilities.
A good fighter doesn't get in the ring concerned about if the guy is going to fight in a way he doesn't really expect. He gets in the ring confident in his ability to fight and to adapt to the conditions he's faced with. He "goes according to the situation."
Trump is a good fighter. He goes according to the situation. He doesn't really care much about what's on paper beyond how he can use it in the current play to get advantage and the next play to gain another advantage, even if that means dropping the deal (and bombs).
It's extremely hard to understand this when you prefer guidelines, contracts, certainty. It's even harder to abide it when you feel like you, yourself, are stuck in a dangerous low-agency position with what appears to be a mad king making fatal errors that impact you and yours.
I said something like this yesterday to someone, and the reply was, "you're giving Trump a lot of credit." Well, yeah. Trump's earned a lot of credit, frankly, and in many cases it was by being extremely high-agency Trump while the world bit its nails and melted down ("Rocket Man, everything is gonna be alright... Rocket Man...").
I think it's a good time to breathe and let the man's agency work a bit. If it goes as badly as people fear, there's plenty of time later to hang it around JD's neck and seize a different victory from the jaws of defeat.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:53 am to hawgfaninc
Trump is effectively trusting the Ayatollah to negotiate in good faith. The odds are he’s going to get burned and we’re going to go right back to square one.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:53 am to klrstix
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It seems rather naive for the Arab world to think (as it seems to be the case..) that they can just ignore the neighborhood idiots and sooner or later they will go away...
What the other Gulf states should be concerned about (I assume they are) is Iran's alliance with China. In a world without China's support, Iran's ability to develop conventional and nuclear weapons, fund foreign militia, threaten the SOH, threaten their neighbors, would have been much less than what they actually were, and to a lesser extent still are.
The other Gulf states also know that China has a huge foreign energy dependency, largest oil and natural gas importer in the world by a very large margin. When an energy deficient giant starts creating an aggressive, powerful authoritarian attack dog in your energy abundant neighborhood, feeding them weapons materiel and technology, it doesn't take a great logical leap to deduce that their intentions may be hostile. Throw in the fact that China is developing a major overland trade route, as part of the Belt and Road project, that passes directly through Tehran and it should give Middle East energy producers plenty of reason for concern.
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:01 am to hawgfaninc
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:02 am to hawgfaninc
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For all the pundits and influencers pushing the lie that the United States is giving billions to Iran: watch this.
You’re lying.
@VP sets the record straight:
"The only way the Iranians get any of those resources, not a single penny by the way from the United States of America under any circumstances, but the only way that they would ever get any benefit of the bargain is if they comply fully and change their behavior. So you really have a win/win situation for the United States of America."
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:03 am to hawgfaninc
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NOW: "Joy Behar is way tougher than the Iranians, and she and I are best friends now."
VP Vance jokes about being a battle-tested negotiator after making it through his appearance on 'The View.'
Vance also says he's not worried about Trump blaming him if talks with Iran "go sideways," saying he knows the president was only making a joke.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:04 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:07 am to hawgfaninc
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.@VP: "I've seen skeptics of the deal, people say, 'the Iranians will never change their behavior!' Well, maybe that's true, and if so, they don't get ANY of the benefits of the bargain—but isn't it worth trying? Isn't it worth seeing whether this incredibly weakened position that @POTUS has put the Iranians under... motivates them to change their behavior?"
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:11 am to hawgfaninc
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VP @JDVance just nuked the warmongers lying about the MOU:
"It's a misrepresentation of the MOU ... the idea that they get benefits before they change their behavior is fundamentally a talking point that is issued by people who want the conflict to continue indefinitely despite the fact that that's not good for the American people."
AMERICA FIRST!
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:12 am to hawgfaninc
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.@VP: "We destroyed a substantial number of their ballistic missiles and their ballistic missile launchers... all @POTUS said yesterday is that of course countries don't give up the right of self defense...but we do expect that it's part of the final deal—they are not going to be able to build the kind of missiles that can broadly threaten the entire world."
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:14 am to hawgfaninc
Vance just fricked Bibi on National TV
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:41 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:51 am to ArHog
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Vance just fricked Bibi on National TV
This anti-Israel drivel is possibly the dumbest, most ignorant nonsense ever espoused on this board. Israel is probably our most important single ally for one reason: The day Israel is no longer our ally is the day China and Russia start assuming control of the Middle East, with Iran as their forward operating base. When Russia and China control the ME, they are well on their way to controlling Europe and Africa and all of Asia. Anyone who claims that China/Russia ascendancy in the ME will not be a massive blow to the United States' economic, military, and geopolitical status is either dumb as a rock or a paid foreign propagandist.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/18/26 at 12:02 pm to BayouBengal51
If this is true then Israel needs to blast away. Hopefully this will cancel the agreement and we start blasting away again.
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