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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:08 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:08 pm to hawgfaninc
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Exchanges of fire between Iran and the US in the Gulf over the past 24 hours:
??4 Iranian drones were launched toward the Strait of Hormuz - and were intercepted by US military forces.
??In response, the US military attacked radar sites on the coasts of Iran "to defend against further naval attacks."
??In response to that - Iran launched 7 ballistic missiles toward Kuwait and Bahrain - 6 of them were intercepted and the seventh did not hit its target. According to CENTCOM, no American personnel were injured and the Fifth Fleet headquarters in Bahrain was not damaged.
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Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:06 pm to Nomad0369
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Send the navy into the strait. Put ground troops on the island
Neither of these two things puts and end to the regime faster.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:41 pm to Robcrzy
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The fact that yall think Iran cares about money when it comes to the US and Israel is laughable. Their hate for us is far greater than their need for money. They arent going to give in over money.
They dont “care” about money but they do care about that need to do with it. Pay and fund militias, pay their soldiers etc. resources for fighting. yes they will not succumb just because things get tight but things being tight will definitely ratchet up pressure on them and deprive them of things they need to conduct effectively.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 11:39 pm to Tigerstark
IRGC might not care about money but the thousands of people they employ do. And with inflation being out of sight at the same time this is happening....
Good luck
Good luck
Posted on 6/6/26 at 11:58 pm to Tigerstark
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They dont “care” about money but they do care about that need to do with it. Pay and fund militias, pay their soldiers etc. resources for fighting. yes they will not succumb just because things get tight but things being tight will definitely ratchet up pressure on them and deprive them of things they need to conduct effectively.
To maintain control of Iran, Hezbolah, Hamas and the Houthis the IRGC must have the oil money.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 5:27 am to Nomad0369
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Why isn’t anyone else sending their oil tankers through?
Because they don’t control it. Same as why Iran doesn’t.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 5:31 am to Penrod
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Because they don’t control it. Same as why Iran doesn’t.
So who controls it?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 5:39 am to Nomad0369
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So who controls it?
No one controls it. The US has the most control, and Iran has the next most, but obviously neither controls it.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:12 am to Nomad0369
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The large naval presence mentioned in my above post.
I know those bodies of water look kinda small on a map, but maybe realize how big they really are. Impossible to protect 100%.
Not to mention protecting oil assets on land like pipelines, store facilities, pumping stations, and power stations.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:17 am to Penrod
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The US has the most control, and Iran has the next most, but obviously neither controls it.
Negative. The US is blockading vessels from going to Iran in the Arabian Sea. Iran is denying passage through the strait with the threat of drones and missiles. If we “controlled” the strait then oil from the other gulf nations would be transiting and reaching the global markets.
Iran is denying access to a large portion of the world’s oil supply by denying the use of the strait of Hormuz. That’s not debatable.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:19 am to UptownJoeBrown
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I know those bodies of water look kinda small on a map, but maybe realize how big they really are. Impossible to protect 100%.
That’s what escort convoys are for. The ground based pumping stations are being defended by ground based air defenses and a mix of fixed and rotary wing assets shooting down drones.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:31 am to Nomad0369
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Iran is denying access to a large portion of the world’s oil supply by denying the use of the strait of Hormuz. That’s not debatable.
Nor am I debating it. The US has COMPLETELY blockaded Iran by sea. Iran has MOSTLY blockaded most others. The US therefore has more control. If the US needs to get a ship through the Strait, or a hundred ships, it can do so - and has. Iran cannot get a canoe through. Those are the facts, and they are not debatable.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:38 am to Penrod
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Nor am I debating it. The US has COMPLETELY blockaded Iran by sea. Iran has MOSTLY blockaded most others. The US therefore has more control. If the US needs to get a ship through the Strait, or a hundred ships, it can do so - and has. Iran cannot get a canoe through. Those are the facts, and they are not debatable.
The only thing that matters is that Iran is denying the use of the Strait of Hormuz. They’ve proven that they can do that whenever they want. We could stop them of course but it would cost us men and materials. Maybe even a ship or two. The administration has obviously decided that it isn’t worth it or they don’t want the political fallout from a bunch of dead servicemen. The gulf nations and the rest of the world sees this.
So our ability to open the strait by force is irrelevant because we’re not willing to pay the price.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:39 am to Tigerstark
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They dont “care” about money but they do care about that need to do with it.
Of course they care about money. It’s extremely important to them. When we speak about Iran we are not speaking of a homogeneous group. There are some fanatics, but they are mostly careerists. In 1979 they were almost all fanatics, but over the decades they softened up and have been taken over by bureaucrats and politicians. They mostly have overseas bank accounts.
But I think the criticism I’ve seen on here - that we don’t understand them - is true. They need to be killed or offered an outcome they are happy with. The trouble Trump is having is identifying a cohort that can make a deal and seize the power in Iran to enforce it internally.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 6:41 am
Posted on 6/7/26 at 6:48 am to Nomad0369
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The only thing that matters is that Iran is denying the use of the Strait of Hormuz.
Oh! Well, that settles it then. You say it’s the only thing that matters. It’s a shame Trump doesn’t know that, because we are wasting an awful lot of money blockading Iran when it “doesn’t matter”.
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So our ability to open the strait by force is irrelevant because we’re not willing to pay the price.
You state this as though I argued otherwise? I didn’t argue about our willingness to wage all-out war, and I agree with your assessment that, so far at least, Trump is not willing to pay that price.
I argued that Iran doesn’t “control the Strait” anymore than we control it. We have more control over it than they do, but neither control it. If Iran controlled the Strait they would be sending their tankers to China. They can’t because they don’t control it.
If you want to argue that preventing your enemy from transiting the Strait is “controlling it” then fine, but then we control it also, and even more than they do.
This post was edited on 6/7/26 at 6:56 am
Posted on 6/7/26 at 7:05 am to Nomad0369
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That’s what escort convoys are for. The ground based pumping stations are being defended by ground based air defenses and a mix of fixed and rotary wing assets shooting down drones.
Then how are missiles and drones getting through?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 7:36 am to UptownJoeBrown
Posted on 6/7/26 at 7:40 am to BayouBengal51
Why is Trump still claiming there is a cease fire?
Posted on 6/7/26 at 7:43 am to Nomad0369
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Iran is denying passage through the strait with the threat of drones and missiles. If we “controlled” the strait then oil from the other gulf nations would be transiting and reaching the global markets
The US navy has escorted quite a few vessels thru the strait.
Posted on 6/7/26 at 7:45 am to BayouBengal51
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