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re: Official US/Israel vs Iran war thread
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:01 am to MrLSU
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:01 am to MrLSU
Everyone knows this is a bad deal because you know before it is even signed they will never honor it.
They are professional liars. We had them on the ropes and let them string us along until they could regroup.
Most of our families have had someone or multiple people in the Military. My dad was in the Army. My Grandmothers brother was killed in WWII parachuting in France. My dad is gone but i wonder how he would feel about this. I remember him sitting in front of the TV watching Vietnam news and how many were killed and he would be silent and it would take him a little while to connect again.
I feel like President Trump wants this deal too much. And all these foreign leader meetings with China is no accident. China has been waging war on this country through our technology for years. They still are. And they are preparing now for Taiwan. Just a matter of when and what the US does in response..
That is why we should take care of Iran next. Let Europe take on Russia and we prepare for dealing with China economically and support Taiwan.with the Japanese. They hate China more than we do.
They are professional liars. We had them on the ropes and let them string us along until they could regroup.
Most of our families have had someone or multiple people in the Military. My dad was in the Army. My Grandmothers brother was killed in WWII parachuting in France. My dad is gone but i wonder how he would feel about this. I remember him sitting in front of the TV watching Vietnam news and how many were killed and he would be silent and it would take him a little while to connect again.
I feel like President Trump wants this deal too much. And all these foreign leader meetings with China is no accident. China has been waging war on this country through our technology for years. They still are. And they are preparing now for Taiwan. Just a matter of when and what the US does in response..
That is why we should take care of Iran next. Let Europe take on Russia and we prepare for dealing with China economically and support Taiwan.with the Japanese. They hate China more than we do.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:26 am to hawgfaninc
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:28 am to hawgfaninc
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"We oppose the withdrawal of the IDF from Lebanon, despite all the pressures that exist and those that will still come.
Prime Minister Netanyahu made this clear to President Trump and senior U.S. officials. I reiterated it yesterday to Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.
We will not compromise on Israel's supreme security interests and the protection of our citizens, and we will not withdraw from the security zones.
If Iran attacks Israel over the events in Lebanon, we will strike it with full force and clearly demonstrate to it the disparity in power," - Israel Katz, Israeli Defense Minister.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 5:54 am to MrLSU
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Iranian Mehr News Agency has published the supposed 14 clauses of the MOU
$12 billion of Iran's frozen funds to be released before negotiations begin, with another $12 billion during the 60-day final negotiation window.
Oil and petrochemical sanctions suspended.
Full naval blockade lifted within 30 days.
The U.S. commits to non-interference in Iranian affairs, withdrawal of forces from around Iran, and no new sanctions or force deployments during negotiations.
An immediate ceasefire is required on all fronts, including Lebanon.
The Strait of Hormuz reopens within 30 days under Iranian arrangements.
Iran reaffirms its NPT commitment not to produce nuclear weapons.
A 60-day window is set to negotiate a final deal covering nuclear issues and full sanctions removal.
The U.S. and allies must also present reconstruction plans worth at least $300 billion.
Iran's missile program and support for resistance groups are removed from the agenda entirely.
No final negotiations begin until the $12 billion is released, oil sanctions are suspended, and the blockade is lifted.
A supervisory mechanism will oversee implementation, with any final agreement approved by UN Security Council resolution.
The deal includes "US military withdrawal from areas surrounding Iran" and closing those military bases surrounding Iran will probably save US $100B a year.
IF (big if) all of that is accurate, it seems highly favorable for Iran.
Where does the $300 billion come from? Iranian oil revenue? Unfrozen bank accounts? Or the good old US taxpayer?
It sure as hell better not be the latter.
Regardless, all of the reconstruction work should go to US companies.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 6:00 am to TulsaSooner78
Adding to my post above, I don't think the agreement or the 60-day ceasefire have any chance of being completed successfully.
Both Iran and Israel are too hard-headed to allow it.
Both Iran and Israel are too hard-headed to allow it.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 6:22 am to Diego Ricardo
quote:That may have been true in the immediate post World War II era. But after the Cold War, the world changed dramatically. Globalization accelerated, supply chains stretched across continents, and billions of low-cost workers entered the global marketplace as China and India integrated into the world economy. Given those changes, it’s no longer clear that the old model remains sustainable.
The American way of life is wholly predicated on us being the guarantor of free trade by the seas and the destination of last resort for global overproduction.
Look, my reply was to a specific question about the growing fatigue among Americans with foreign entanglements. The fact is that many Americans question whether the benefits derived from the international order you described still outweigh its costs in the modern globalized world. That debate is a central component of Trump’s MAGA and America First agenda.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:00 am to TulsaSooner78
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Both Iran and Israel are too hard-headed to allow it.
Bomb tf outta both of them
End this bs Trump
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:07 am to ArHog
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:14 am to MrLSU
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:20 am to MrLSU
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:29 am to Tigerfan1274
This is from one of UAE’s leading scholars who has been extremely supportive of Trump.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:30 am to LSUnKaty
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That may have been true in the immediate post World War II era. But after the Cold War, the world changed dramatically. Globalization accelerated, supply chains stretched across continents, and billions of low-cost workers entered the global marketplace as China and India integrated into the world economy.
You realize you just supported his argument, right?
All of that requires Pax Americana.
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Given those changes, it’s no longer clear that the old model remains sustainable.
There is nothing to suggest this model isn't sustainable.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:37 am to BayouBengal51
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:40 am to BayouBengal51
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Here we go again...
RIP Iran Peace Deal (vol. 4)
June 14, 2026 to June 14, 2026
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:41 am to Tigerfan1274
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BREAKING: Iran says the US has agreed to permanently hand over the Strait of Hormuz to Iran under their full sovereign authority, with Iran collecting tolls called "service fees" from all commercial ships after a 60-day waiver period. The opening is planned for Friday, after the signing, per Fars.
With pre-war Hormuz traffic at 30,000 vessels and 7.6 billion barrels of oil per year, this could generate $10+ billion in annual revenue for Iran, and comes on top of the $300 billion in reconstruction funds directly sent to Iran.
This also directly contradicts Trump's claim of a "toll free opening of the Strait of Hormuz" under no fees.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:42 am to MrLSU
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Even Obama or Biden might have handled Iran better than this. JD Vance signing his dream deal with Tehran is like signing a PEACE DEAL with a SHARK and then acting surprised when it STILL BITES. God bless America. I respect President Trump, but I trust the Iranian regime about as much as I TRUST a CROCODILE to BABYSIT.
Trump shouldn't play business with Middle Eastern politics. In the Middle East, it's soccer-football. Israel knows the pitch better. The Islamic regime in Iran treats every agreement like extra time, KEEP BREAKING the RULES and HOPE the REFEREE NEVER blows the final whistle.
No deal is better than a bad deal. If Iran won't dismantle its nuclear and missile programs, stop funding terrorism, and keep the Strait of Hormuz open, then close this file the way you closed Obama's Iran file, and finish the job.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:43 am to LSUnKaty
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The fact is that many Americans question whether the benefits derived from the international order you described still outweigh its costs in the modern globalized world. That debate is a central component of Trump’s MAGA and America First agenda.
Many have long recognized that our Forever War policy is wrong, and is damaging our country - that recognition preceded Trump. So did the other four basic policy positions that define MAGA.
America First is not Trumps, it is ours, and future politicians need to recognize that or go the way of losers like Cornyn, Tillis, etc.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 7:54 am to Tigerfan1274
1. I have no idea what the hell Trump is thinking. Does he or does he not really want this deal???? If he does he is a moron.
2. I don't think this deal will go through and be the last thing. At best, and I doubt that strongly, at best it is kicking the can down the road.
3. My hope is that this is more stalling simply to have all sides stop shooting while Iran slowly starves do to the sanctions that will result in Internal failure and regime change. Granted this "hope" is just a hope.
If true this is just moronic. We supply 12 billion in funds to the enemy for absolutely nothing in return. This would be the ultimate moronic move.
So Iran basically admits that Hezbollah is part of Iran, who has a mission to take over Lebanon for the reason of attacking Israel and yet this is somehow acceptable. LOL This is beyond belief stupid. A peace deal is suppose to be about piece but this guarantees there will be no peace and it is in the shittiest piece deal to ever be concocted. (if this peace deal is even actually proposed which I have my strong doubts )
Laughable. In the peace deal that we have a clause to talk about shite. This right here is freaking beyond belief.
It is very hard to decide which aspect of the supposed deal that Mehr put out is the most ridiculous. Think about it. this is what the 4th clause that would alone make this the worst peace deal to ever happen ever. This crap is beyond Obama bad. Imagine that Obama gives them a gift under the guise of a deal and this shite is worse. If the USA is on the the hook for 300 billion I will vote for impeachment because it WOULD mean one of two things. Trump is dumber than a vegetable or he is a traitor on the side of Iran now.
This would make sense IF there was an actual decent peace deal that didn't contain all the crap above.
I can't continue. The chance of this actually being the peace deal that both sides will agree too are so ridiculous it is laughable. This reads more like a USA surrender plan than a peace deal.
2. I don't think this deal will go through and be the last thing. At best, and I doubt that strongly, at best it is kicking the can down the road.
3. My hope is that this is more stalling simply to have all sides stop shooting while Iran slowly starves do to the sanctions that will result in Internal failure and regime change. Granted this "hope" is just a hope.
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$12 billion of Iran's frozen funds to be released before negotiations begin, with another $12 billion during the 60-day final negotiation window.
Oil and petrochemical sanctions suspended.
Full naval blockade lifted within 30 days.
If true this is just moronic. We supply 12 billion in funds to the enemy for absolutely nothing in return. This would be the ultimate moronic move.
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An immediate ceasefire is required on all fronts, including Lebanon.
The Strait of Hormuz reopens within 30 days under Iranian arrangements.
So Iran basically admits that Hezbollah is part of Iran, who has a mission to take over Lebanon for the reason of attacking Israel and yet this is somehow acceptable. LOL This is beyond belief stupid. A peace deal is suppose to be about piece but this guarantees there will be no peace and it is in the shittiest piece deal to ever be concocted. (if this peace deal is even actually proposed which I have my strong doubts )
quote:
Iran reaffirms its NPT commitment not to produce nuclear weapons.
A 60-day window is set to negotiate a final deal covering nuclear issues and full sanctions removal.
Laughable. In the peace deal that we have a clause to talk about shite. This right here is freaking beyond belief.
quote:
The U.S. and allies must also present reconstruction plans worth at least $300 billion.
It is very hard to decide which aspect of the supposed deal that Mehr put out is the most ridiculous. Think about it. this is what the 4th clause that would alone make this the worst peace deal to ever happen ever. This crap is beyond Obama bad. Imagine that Obama gives them a gift under the guise of a deal and this shite is worse. If the USA is on the the hook for 300 billion I will vote for impeachment because it WOULD mean one of two things. Trump is dumber than a vegetable or he is a traitor on the side of Iran now.
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Iran's missile program and support for resistance groups are removed from the agenda entirely.
This would make sense IF there was an actual decent peace deal that didn't contain all the crap above.
I can't continue. The chance of this actually being the peace deal that both sides will agree too are so ridiculous it is laughable. This reads more like a USA surrender plan than a peace deal.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 8:06 am to omegaman66
Why doesn't Trump or Rubio announce the U.S. version of the MOU?
If what we are hearing from Iran is true this is an unmitigated disaster.
If what we are hearing from Iran is true this is an unmitigated disaster.
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