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re: Official RT Indictment Thread -- Youtubers Lauren Chen, Dave Rubin, Tim Pool Linked
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:35 am to FreddieMac
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:35 am to FreddieMac
quote:They've charged Russian nationals who, almost certainly, will never see the inside of a US courtroom which will leave Chen's defense particularly challenging. Similar to leaving Trump to defend his impeachment while they kept Hunter's laptop locked down and away from the defense.
The only purpose of naming those people in the indictment was to smear their reputation. If they FBI was concerned and knew these people did nothing wrong, like the indictment said, they could have just left their names out of the indictment. Finally I would not be surprised to find out this "russian" money is really some of that missing money that we do not know where its at that went to the "taliban."
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:41 am to Bunk Moreland
Frankly, I am not a big Tim Pool fan, he rants to much about civil war. Everything in that dude's mind leads to civil war and dystopia. But, I do not think for one second he is not just a dude say what he thinks. This Russia, Russia, Russia stuff is simply a way to rehash something they think has worked in the past, for the 3rd time.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 8:47 am to jclem11
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Question: Are you okay with influencers taking money from foreign countries with the explicit goal of influencing our elections and policy?
Yes. Look at what we spend trying to destroy them.
If Americans arent smart enough to separate propaganda from reality, they deserve whats coming.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 9:50 am to jclem11
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Question: Are you okay with influencers taking money from foreign countries with the explicit goal of influencing our elections and policy?
That's not what happened. From my understanding, people like Poole were paid to host content on tenet's site. They were not paid to push propaganda as tenet did not determine the content produced. Tenet simply said, "We like this guy's content. Let's host it on our platform."
They took money from Tenet, not a foreign country. Only an idiot would think these content creators were being paid to push Russian propaganda.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:15 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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They were not paid to push propaganda as tenet did not determine the content produced.
Also, Tim Pool is such a good "journalist" that he didn't do a simple Google search to see if this random rich Russian guy who was paying him even existed.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:16 am to udtiger
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Is the content of any of these videos false?
Are they based on made up stats, reports, etc?
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:24 am to jclem11
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Would you have this same energy if The Young Turks were found to be taking money from China?
Young Turks are literally funded by Qatar you fricking retard.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:29 am to NC_Tigah
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The DOJ doing "everything it can," certainly entails lying/misleading to sully podcasters with a "whores peeing on Moscow beds" quality narrative
Whores peeing = lie
This report isn't even really disputed by Tim Pool. He just said if it's true (which it seems to be), he was duped
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:38 am to NC_Tigah
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The question someone "not playing politics" should have long ago asked is "Who is funding CNN/MSNBC?"
This! They seemingly have not one care about appealing to a wider audience and growing ad revenue. They obviously serve a different master.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
An inquiry into why ISIS would be going to Ukraine to hide and whether they were proxies for a Ukraine operation would be legitimate considering Ukraine (either on their own or with the assistance of NATO) blew up Nordstream and blamed it on Russia.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:46 am to NC_Tigah
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They've charged Russian nationals who, almost certainly, will never see the inside of a US courtroom which will leave Chen's defense particularly challenging. Similar to leaving Trump to defend his impeachment while they kept Hunter's laptop locked down and away from the defense.
I just watched a Robert Barnes rant on this and he carved up a lot of it. He said in Russiagate, Mueller dismissed as to a company there as they never expected them to appear and ask for discovery. They learned their lesson not to indict a company here. They deliberately structured the indictment so no one will ever see what the evidence is, in part because the individuals will never appear. His theory is the pseudonym isn't hiding a Russian name, it's hiding a spy name. He also guesses that Lisa Monaco has her fingers in this.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 10:54 am
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
The content itself isn't really my issue. We can split hairs, but the content is either a) factual or b) not factual, but the type of speculation or hypothesizing to varying degrees that happens all day every day (and organically) on both the right and left sides of social media political influencing. In other words, Russia is paying for the type of content plenty of people are doing for free and in large quantities.
My issue, and what I think this story should be about on the right, are the perils of elevating complete non-ideological mercenaries like Pool and Chen and so forth to these positions of thought leadership in right wing circles. It's always been the case to some extent - I mean, Dick Morris did this - but it's the Wild West right now. The people who should be most annoyed by this are the right wing media consumers who are getting manipulated through Russia-funded content.
You can acknowledge that most of the content is true or arguably true, but Russia is paying people who don't care about the issues you care about to get you really mad and ruin your day.
My issue, and what I think this story should be about on the right, are the perils of elevating complete non-ideological mercenaries like Pool and Chen and so forth to these positions of thought leadership in right wing circles. It's always been the case to some extent - I mean, Dick Morris did this - but it's the Wild West right now. The people who should be most annoyed by this are the right wing media consumers who are getting manipulated through Russia-funded content.
You can acknowledge that most of the content is true or arguably true, but Russia is paying people who don't care about the issues you care about to get you really mad and ruin your day.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
it’s all fake news except when it’s our people doing it! Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:56 am to udtiger
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An inquiry into why ISIS would be going to Ukraine to hide and whether they were proxies for a Ukraine operation would be legitimate considering Ukraine (either on their own or with the assistance of NATO) blew up Nordstream and blamed it on Russia.
You're the market demand that makes the lies seem legitimate, apparently.
Russia understands how easy people who are primed this way are easy to manipulate and are likely to validate/share these (stupid) lies.
This post was edited on 9/6/24 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:56 am to Pettifogger
I don't really care about Chen or Pool, but I also don't want to see the intel agencies honeytrapping content creators. As I said upthread, what is to prevent these dirtbags from inserting foreign funding into Rumble somewhere, then FISA/wiretapping every podcast on the platform?
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:57 am to jclem11
Your TDS is impressive.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:59 am to Pettifogger
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Russia is paying for the type of content plenty of people are doing for free and in large quantities.
Russia was busted peddling Leftism in 2016. They just want to sew the seeds of discord among American society.
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My issue, and what I think this story should be about on the right, are the perils of elevating complete non-ideological mercenaries like Pool and Chen and so forth to these positions of thought leadership in right wing circles.
Preach. I have been trying to call these people out for some time.
Just use the term "grifter" with a guy like Pool and see the emotional reacts.
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. The people who should be most annoyed by this are the right wing media consumers who are getting manipulated through Russia-funded content.
They should be, but they're not.
Just look at the other obvious bullshite stuff in the other thread.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 10:59 am to SlowFlowPro
We have Victoria Nuland on tape running a coup and Lindsey/McCain jerking off over starting shite there. It's not difficult to imagine the country was a cesspool of U.S. corruption and going to be used as a battering ram to weaken Russia. Mearsheimer predicted it all years ago.
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Posted on 9/6/24 at 11:01 am to Bunk Moreland
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what is to prevent these dirtbags from inserting foreign funding into Rumble somewhere, then FISA/wiretapping every podcast on the platform?
I don't disagree. I don't take cases from clearly shady potentials, even (especially) if they offer me more money to do so.
I just turned down one with what I discovered was a really shady international crime syndicate. The difference in me and Tim Pool is that I did 3 Google searches to confirm my suspicions.
Posted on 9/6/24 at 11:02 am to Bunk Moreland
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I don't really care about Chen or Pool, but I also don't want to see the intel agencies honeytrapping content creators. As I said upthread, what is to prevent these dirtbags from inserting foreign funding into Rumble somewhere, then FISA/wiretapping every podcast on the platform?
Yeah that's fair.
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