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re: Obamacare repeal will add 9 trillion to the debt
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:22 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:22 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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And don't act like being a 90s liberal is much better...
To reasonable people they are very different.
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Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
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To reasonable people they are very different.
I didn't say or imply otherwise. Being different doesn't make one or the other better.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:25 am to Draconian Sanctions
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You've abandoned your principles because of Obama?
It's called adjustment, not abandonment. If we still want people to have healthcare, at a more affordable rate for everyone, then adjustments are necessary. Wouldn't you agree?
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:25 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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You do understand that, right?
He didn't when his fat Cheetos stained fingers were dancing on the keyboard to start this sick burn of a thread. Maybe he does now because he's totally ignored that post of yours.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:28 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Being different doesn't make one or the other better.
Ok so, for example, you don't see the liberal view of "I support paid maternity leave" as better than the leftist view of intersectional radical feminism that seeks to deconstruct "the patriarchy" through any means necessary?
You don't see the liberal view of "radical violent Islam is a problem that needs to be dealt with" as any better than the leftist view which sees anything critical of Islam in any capacity as inherently racist?
You serious Clark?
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
Got to give them credit for trying to dissuade public opinion.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:34 am to tigerjjs
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What was the national debt 8 years ago?
The national debt under Carter was 930B or so.
Reagan tripled the national debt to 3.2T or thereabouts.
Bush 43 found a 5T debt, which he doubled.
1. Reagan cut taxes for the Rich, increased taxes on the Middle Class -
Ronald Reagan is loved by conservatives and was loved by big business throughout his presidency and there's a reason for it. When Reagan came into office in January of 1981, the top tax rate was 70%, but when he left office in 1989 the top tax rate was down to only 28%. As Reagan gave the breaks to all his rich friends, there was a lack of revenue coming into the federal government. In order to bring money back into the government, Reagan was forced to raise taxes eleven times throughout his time in office. One example was when he signed into law the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. Reagan raised taxes seven of the eight years he was in office and the tax increases were felt hardest by the lower and middle class.
2. Tripling the National Debt -
As Reagan cut taxes for the wealthy, the government was left with less money to spend. When Reagan came into office the national debt was $900 billion, by the time he left the national debt had tripled to $2.8 trillion.
LINK
How soon we forget but Reagan was a POS.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
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fiscal responsibility
means Fedgov should concentrate on the common defense of the states, promote orderly commerce among the states, and a legal system to resolve disputes between states and their citizens
everything else goes away
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:41 am to Draconian Sanctions
Worth it.
Trump is being a lot more responsible than I would. If I were elected, I'd tell congress to have prepared for me an immediate repeal of all laws passed during Obama's term in office and would undo all O exec orders immediately. For things that could not be undone I'd immediately defund or tell executive agencies to not enforce.
I'd also get ServPro to park their semi in front of the White House portico and tell everyone that the goal of my first 100 days was to make it "like it never even happened."
Trump is being a lot more responsible than I would. If I were elected, I'd tell congress to have prepared for me an immediate repeal of all laws passed during Obama's term in office and would undo all O exec orders immediately. For things that could not be undone I'd immediately defund or tell executive agencies to not enforce.
I'd also get ServPro to park their semi in front of the White House portico and tell everyone that the goal of my first 100 days was to make it "like it never even happened."
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:43 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Obamacare repeal will add 9 trillion to the debt
You have got to be kidding!
Obamacare was funded on basis of 10yrs taxation paying for 6yrs of benefits. Even at horribly inaccurate 2010 benefit cost predictions ("you'll save $2500/personal policy"), obamacare was going to run a proportional (huge) deficit in the ensuing decade following its initial term.
Unfortunately most Americans understand the here-and-now far better than future ramifications of the here-and-now. E.g., the vast majority are still either unaware of incompletely informed of the future obamacare "Cadillac Tax" -- what it is, when it was scheduled, why it was delayed, what its impact on them would be.
Only an electorate with such lack of interest or curiousity could be sold contentions that obamacare was budget neutral. It really is pathetic confirmation of Gruber's assessment.
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 7:45 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
There you go. Words aren't hard.
Congratulations on getting a few things right, but you still supported Bill Clinton, who was also in many ways worse than Obama.
Like I said, not much better.
Congratulations on getting a few things right, but you still supported Bill Clinton, who was also in many ways worse than Obama.
Like I said, not much better.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So you're just going to pretend it's not real?
WTF, is that a serious question?
So the article has no facts, no numbers, no nothing to prove any inkling of how a repeal would add 9T and you're going to attempt to call me out for not believing it?
How about this, I say that if we leave Obamacare in place, its going to add 50T to the national debt in the next 2yrs...
So you going to pretend that that isn't real?
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:50 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It must be nice to live in your own fantasy land where you can pick and choose which parts of reality you acknowledge as being real.
ELL
O
F'N ELL!!!!!!
This is a classic!!!! You retards, of all creatures, telling others about living in a fantasy land and choosing what's real and what's not. GTFO of here with that BS.
Now all of the sudden you babbling idiots are worried about debt? All of you liberals need to be herded up and sent to live in California and then have a wall built around it that ties in with the border wall that's about to be built. You freaks are absolutely hopeless and don't deserve to be living in America.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
Was this guy talking about you?
Stupidity of the American People
Stupidity of the American People
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:51 am to Draconian Sanctions
What does keeping it add to the debt.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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It must be nice to live in your own fantasy land where you can pick and choose which parts of reality you acknowledge as being real
Did you really just say that? Holy frick!
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Obamacare repeal will add 9 trillion to the debt
No it won't. More likely it will save the government trillions of dollars.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:55 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Did the forecasted debt after OC passed turn out to be real
So you're just going to pretend it's not real?
Posted on 1/14/17 at 8:05 am to ShortyRob
quote:Somehow I doubt they were forecasting a 1.4 Trillion added to the debt the last fiscal year.
Did the forecasted debt after OC passed turn out to be real
Posted on 1/14/17 at 8:07 am to HailToTheChiz
quote:It was closer to 11 trillion than 10 the day Barrack Hussein Obama took office. About is a very subjective term.
What was the national debt 8 years ago?
About 11 trillion
Why do you lie
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