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Oakland Coffee Shop Refuses To Serve Police Officers

Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:05 pm
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3460 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:05 pm
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A coffee shop in Oakland is making news for its customer service guidelines. Hasta Muerte Coffee refuses to serve cops in a controversial act that’s opening more dialogue about police-community relations.

Oakland Sgt. Robert Trevino walked into the cafe last month and was promptly informed that cops aren’t welcome in the establishment, according to SFGate.com.

Trevino is president of the Alameda, Calif. chapter of the Latino Peace Officers Association and generally works in the neighborhood where the cafe is located. It’s unclear if Trevino was there for coffee or if he simply wanted to introduce himself.

“Knowing him personally, he highly values community policing and he’s known as going out and building relationships with merchants,” Sgt. Bryan Hubbard, vice president of the Police Officers’ Association said.

Nonetheless, Hubbard respects the company’s decision. “I think their position is very clear that they don’t want the police in there, and I can respect that,” said Hubbard. “If they do call the police for any need, we’re going to respond professionally and give them the same level of service as anyone else regardless of their position.”

After learning about the policy, Sgt. Barry Donelan reached out to Haste Muerte writing that he was both surprised and concerned by their refusal to serve cops, in part because “Oakland Police Officers work tirelessly every day to serve the residents of our City.”

“I have never heard of Police Officers being refused service by an Oakland business,” Donelan reportedly wrote.

In response, Haste Muerte posted a message on Instagram explaining that the policy was put in place for the “physical and emotional safety of our customers and ourselves.”

“Cop supporters are trying to publicly shame us online with low reviews because this particular police visitor was Latino,” reads the message. “He [Trevino] broadcasted to his network that he was ‘refused service’ at a local business and now the rumblings are spreading.

“We know in our experience working on campaigns against police brutality that we are not alone saying that police presence compromises our feeling of physical [and] emotional safety,” the post continues. “There are those that do not share that sentiment — be it because they have a friend or relative who is a police [officer], because they are white or have adopted the privileges whiteness affords, because they are home — or business-owning, or whatever the particular case may be. If they want to make claims about police being part of the community, or claims that race trumps the badge [and] gun when it comes to police, they must accept that the burden of proof for such a claim is on them.”

The statement adds, “[OPD’s] recent attempts to enlist officers of color and its short term touting of fewer officer involved shootings does not reverse or mend its history of corruption, mismanagement, and scandal, nor a legacy of blatant repression.”

The cafe, which opened last year and doubles as a bookstore, is about a mile away from where Oscar Grant was shot and killed by Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) police officer on New Years Day in 2009.

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I'm not sure I understand that Instagram post at all...if anything a cop inside any establishment should make the owners and patrons feel safer, no?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69289 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:09 pm to
How fricked up must the bay area be if this is a "move" that brings in new customers? This wasn't a dumb, personally-motivated move by the owner. This was a business move. In Oakland, this story is positive press.

Very sad.
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:11 pm to
If they have the right to refuse business to anyone in uniform, then they should have no problem with any bakeries that refuse to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple

Can't pick and choose
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17905 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:15 pm to
quote:

Can't pick and choose

Civil rights laws of these states say you can. Where is cop a protected class?
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63266 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:16 pm to
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“If they do call the police for any need, we’re going to respond professionally and give them the same level of service as anyone else regardless of their position.”


I wonder if the police department could have the coffee shop sign a waiver of police services, excusing the police from having to serve the coffee shop.

But we all know the coffee shop wouldn't sign the waiver (or if they did, they'd still sue the PD for negligence over time).
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19248 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:17 pm to
These people have issues.

Many of their problems are created by themselves.

I'm so glad I don't live in these cities.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

.if anything a cop inside any establishment should make the owners and patrons feel safer, no?
police can't protect their fragile feelings
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64322 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:23 pm to
So wait. Its legal to refuse service?
Posted by Dubaitiger
Abu Dhabi, UAE
Member since Nov 2005
4936 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:29 pm to
Stupid people in Oakland, hell all of Cali- that State sucks and I hope these assholes need a cop to stop a burglary in that coffee shop.
Posted by JPinLondon
not in London (currently NW Ohio)
Member since Nov 2006
7855 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:30 pm to
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be it because they have a friend or relative who is a police [officer], because they are white or have adopted the privileges whiteness affords, because they are home — or business-owning, or whatever the particular case may be. If they want to make claims about police being part of the community, or claims that race trumps the badge [and] gun when it comes to police, they must accept that the burden of proof for such a claim is on them

THIS shite is why Trump won.

Those folks think they make intellectual arguments, but the nonsense above speaks for itself. But, of course, if 500 lefty-whackos give it a 'like', then the author smugly thinks he is so smart. But it is utter crap.
This post was edited on 3/10/18 at 8:31 pm
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:39 pm to
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How fricked up must the bay area be if this is a "move" that brings in new customers?


Imagine you are a small coffee shop with zero advertising budget, this is genius, while I dont agree with excluding cops they could not have bought this level of publicity for millions.

They are taking a page strait out of Trumps playbook
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17905 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

So wait. Its legal to refuse service?

Despite all the recent rulings on this, you've chosen not to read a word of them
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
7315 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:42 pm to
The cops should park a cruiser right out front...to keep the area safe.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20211 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:44 pm to
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Where is cop a protected class?


Equal protection under the law?
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20375 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 8:47 pm to
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Nonetheless, Hubbard respects the company’s decision. “I think their position is very clear that they don’t want the police in there, and I can respect that,” said Hubbard. “If they do call the police for any need, we’re going to respond professionally and give them the same level of service as anyone else regardless of their position.”


This dude has a helluva lot more patience that I do for this type of frickery.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17905 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 9:07 pm to
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Equal protection under the law?

Only applies to states and local governments, not coffee shops
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15699 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 9:14 pm to
Can we just pull all federal funding from California? Trump called it. They’d be begging for help without the very help they say they don’t want.
This post was edited on 3/10/18 at 9:15 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55588 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 9:19 pm to
quote:

They’d be begging for help without the very help they say they don’t want.
CA contributes more to the federal government than it takes
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
13263 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 9:28 pm to
So these guys can refuse to serve a cop coffe but muh gay wedding cakes is ok.

Filth, all of them.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15699 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 9:33 pm to
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CA contributes more to the federal government than it takes


Please support your statement with facts.
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