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re: Nunes Invokes The “Minority Witness Rule”

Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6829 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:21 pm to
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they’ll change the rule.


I'm sure they learned nothing with Dirty Harry changing rules mid-sream to suit his needs.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41658 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:45 pm to
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The letter is real but they still have to wait for Schiff to schedule the hearing

That will never happen
The rule states: "Whenever any hearing is conducted by a committee (except the Committee on Appropriations) upon any measure or matter, the minority on the committee shall be entitled, upon request made by a majority of the minority members to the chairman before the completion of such hearing, to call witnesses selected by the minority to testify with respect to the measure or matter during at least one day of hearing thereon."

Sounds like it has to be allowed before they close the hearings, even if it's the last thing they do.

ETA: bolded the wrong part
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 2:12 pm
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16279 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:46 pm to
Bless Dirty Harry's heart.

He gets an assist on Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.
Posted by cajuncarguy
On the road...Again!
Member since Jun 2013
3135 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:49 pm to
[link=(LINK https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/RS22649/8)]LINK https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/RS22649/8[/link]

This link is for the Senate
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14819 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:51 pm to
Holy crap!!!!

That's it. That is the whole thing. Call everyone including those involved in the Ukraine assist of the DNC and the DNC. Get everyone up there and just give them ten minutes each so we can scroll through all of them.

If this is true, it really is the Democrats worst dream come true and Nancy is even more pissed off at Schiff for this massive blunder.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
28049 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:51 pm to
Nunez and Jordan have beat the hell out of the Dems and their witnesses.

it's almost criminal the beating they have given
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15372 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:51 pm to
I would be very surprised if the Democrats acknowledged the rule
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:53 pm to
Jordan and Nunes were absolute studs during the hearings.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24740 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:53 pm to
This is not a Senate hearing. The link applies to Senate hearings. Does the same rule apply to the HoR?

Am I missing something here?
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32646 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:54 pm to
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I would be very surprised if the Democrats acknowledged the rule




This. Either Schiff will just ignore this and gavel out or keep the hearings in session on an indefinite break
Posted by Rocco Lampone
Raleigh, NC
Member since Nov 2010
3051 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:54 pm to
Could they call Volodymyr Zelensky?
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28266 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:56 pm to
It’s insane to me that such an important process is allowed to be so dominated by the majority party. Seems un-American.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43319 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:57 pm to
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It’s insane to me that such an important process is allowed to be so dominated by the majority party. Seems un-American.




Schiff is abusing House rules. In both the Nixon and Clinton impeachments, both parties were allowed to call whatever witnesses they wanted. There were no restrictions like Schiff has put in place to quell testimony. No secret hearings. By all accounts, both parties were cordial during the hearings.

What schiff has done is literally unprecedented in the history of this country.
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79634 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:58 pm to
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Either Schiff will just ignore this and gavel out or keep the hearings in session on an indefinite break


And every time Jordan and Nunes publicly ask why he’s doing that, Chairman PotatoHead will purse his lips and his eyes will bug out a little more.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24740 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 2:00 pm to
The House has the same rule.

HoR Minority Witness Rule

However, Schiff can do other dirty tricks, such as schedule 20 other Democrat witnesses first, or refuse to put the Republican witnesses under oath.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
12747 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 2:00 pm to
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This is not a Senate hearing. The link applies to Senate hearings. Does the same rule apply to the HoR?
There is a corresponding House rule.

When a House committee or subcommittee holds a hearing, the minority party members of the panel have the right to call witnesses of their choosing to testify on at least one day of that hearing. Clause 2(j)(1) of House Rule XI—known as the “minority witness rule”—states:

Whenever a hearing is conducted by a committee on a measure or matter, the minority members of the committee shall be entitled, upon request to the chairman by a majority of them before the completion of the hearing, to call witnesses selected by the minority to testify with respect to that measure or matter during at least one day of hearing thereon.
If the minority’s request to call witnesses comes after a hearing has begun, it will necessitate the continuation of the hearing on an additional day to accommodate minority witnesses.

Rule XI, however, is rarely formally invoked to request an additional day of hearing. In practice, the rule has largely served as a “backstop” that gives the minority party a procedural recourse if a committee majority refuses to invite witnesses they request. In the vast majority of hearings, the majority does invite minority witnesses after consultation and negotiation with minority members and staff. In rare instances, however, a majority of the minority party members of a House committee or subcommittee have invoked Rule XI to schedule an additional day of hearings for their witnesses.2
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 2:01 pm to
Fake news: "When a Senate committee"

First 4 fricking words of the rule.

ETA:"There is a corresponding House rule."

My bad. Will leave up to demonstrate my shame for not reading the entire thread before posting.

ETAA: aaaaaand its gone. I'm going back with "Fake News".
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 2:37 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 2:01 pm to
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In another stunning development, Jim Jordan is invoking the even rarer "yielding all my time to kick the committee chair in the nuts" rule.
Reading that made me laugh out loud.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20202 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 2:05 pm to
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Either Schiff will just ignore this and gavel out or keep the hearings in session on an indefinite break


This is pathetic and this WHOLE.ENTIRE.MESS could have been avoided had the Dems been left out of power in the 2018 election. This should go to illustrate how big the consequences are from elections. None are "throw away" elections.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32225 posts
Posted on 11/21/19 at 2:07 pm to
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This is pathetic and this WHOLE.ENTIRE.MESS could have been avoided had the Dems been left out of power in the 2018 election. This should go to illustrate how big the consequences are from elections. None are "throw away" elections.
Thanks Speaker Ryan!
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